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      01-29-2020, 04:01 PM   #67
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Not gonna lie, I have never been a fan of the CLA, but after watching the carwow video of the S3 and CLA 35, I really like the looks (although I am a bit biased in that it looks like a miniature version of my CLS), but its hard to disagree that they definitely did the proportions much better than BMW. The CLA and A/S/RS3 definitely fit in with their brand's lineup more.
I will say that the new CLA I had for a couple days had some major flaws: (1) creaking interior bits on the highway, (2) excess driver side wind noise, (3) fixed headrests. These are unacceptable for me.

I'm sure these won't be issues in the BMW.
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Not gonna lie, I have never been a fan of the CLA, but after watching the carwow video of the S3 and CLA 35, I really like the looks (although I am a bit biased in that it looks like a miniature version of my CLS), but its hard to disagree that they definitely did the proportions much better than BMW. The CLA and A/S/RS3 definitely fit in with their brand's lineup more.
I will say that the new CLA I had for a couple days had some major flaws: (1) creaking interior bits on the highway, (2) excess driver side wind noise, (3) fixed headrests.

I'm sure these won't be issues in the BMW.
Oh yeah, the CLA is still a cheaply built mercedes and is built at one of their worst plants, but based plainly on looks its a winner. I would still rather have a Civic or Mazda 3 than spending any sorts of big $$$ on these "entry-level" luxury cars.
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Haven't seen such an ugly car in a long time.
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this looks like a 235 GT instead of a gran coupe
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Dang. Turns out the car i didn't want doesn't look good in real life.

Sigh. The dream is dead.
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I still don't understand why BMW is calling this a 2-series nonetheless a gran coupe.

BMW made a whole big deal that even = coupes and odd = sedans, only to introduce gran coupes. Ok fine, but this at least meant gran coupes would have "unique" or more couple like elements, to which I say, "where does the 2GC reflect this?" If anything this looks like a normal econobox sedan in the worst types of ways (BMW's version of a Ford Focus).

So its neither a coupe nor a 4-door styled coupe, but just a sedan, so... why not call it a 1-series? It would make more sense being that the rest of the world has a FWD 1er hatch, as well as not bring in the confusion of the 2 series nameplate being on both a RWD and FWD based platform, and fill in the gap of BMW NA's lack of a 1-series in their lineup of vehicles.
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Oh yeah, the CLA is still a cheaply built mercedes and is built at one of their worst plants, but based plainly on looks its a winner. I would still rather have a Civic or Mazda 3 than spending any sorts of big $$$ on these "entry-level" luxury cars.
Loll I'll admit it I would definitely take an entry FWD luxury make over those.
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So... Micro X4?

Or 235GT?
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Turning the m2 back in and getting a snapper rocks blue m235 gran coupe ...I camt wait and dont care what they say!
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Turning the m2 back in and getting a snapper rocks blue m235 gran coupe ...I camt wait and dont care what they say!
what are you smoking?

Go get a 3 series. It'd be bigger and money better spent than one of these atrocious turds.
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Great looking car. Nice color too.
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I mean color looks great, BUT DAMN, its just UGLY, the proportions look so off.

Maybe if I see it in person then, just maybe I can see what they were going for, but in pictures?
I actually went to BMW Welt last weekend just to see it in person...

Unfortunately it's still hideous
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Oh yeah, the CLA is still a cheaply built mercedes and is built at one of their worst plants, but based plainly on looks its a winner. I would still rather have a Civic or Mazda 3 than spending any sorts of big $$$ on these "entry-level" luxury cars.
The pull to the CLA is the brand/dealer/looks. They clearly went low rent on this car (and forgot to charge low rent pricing).
Style/fit/finish may be nice, but materials quality and feel are, as you say, much lower than the asian brands. Shockingly so when you sit side by side one after the other since your eyes are telling you one is 'better' but your other senses tell you it's worse.

The c class is a bit better, but definitely still behind BMW in the 3 and 4.
Again, the presentation of the car, lighting, layout, may photograph and appear better in the mercedes (and lets be honest, to most people that's the point), but tactile use is inferior (except that self close trunk, looove that self close trunk).

Family just went from an E class to 5 series for this reason.
The E looks waaaay better parked in the driveway and impresses people, but the 5 is just a better machine everywhere from the way the doors close, to the buttons, to the steering, etc. (except back seat is too upright).

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Oh yeah, the CLA is still a cheaply built mercedes and is built at one of their worst plants, but based plainly on looks its a winner. I would still rather have a Civic or Mazda 3 than spending any sorts of big $$$ on these "entry-level" luxury cars.
The pull to the CLA is the brand/dealer/looks. They clearly went low rent on this car (and forgot to charge low rent pricing).
Style/fit/finish may be nice, but materials quality and feel are, as you say, much lower than the asian brands. Shockingly so when you sit side by side one after the other since your eyes are telling you one is 'better' but your other senses tell you it's worse.

The c class is a bit better, but definitely still behind BMW in the 3 and 4.
Again, the presentation of the car, lighting, layout, may photograph and appear better in the mercedes (and lets be honest, to most people that's the point), but tactile use is inferior (except that self close trunk, looove that self close trunk).

Family just went from an E class to 5 series for this reason.
The E looks waaaay better parked in the driveway and impresses people, but the 5 is just a better machine everywhere from the way the doors close, to the buttons, to the steering, etc. (except back seat is too upright).

Seth
I definitely don't disagree, even my CLS in some ways isn't as good as my last 5 series when it comes to interior materials or overall quality, but it puts a much bigger smile on my face and I'm enjoying it much more, so I say the trade off was worth it!
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Wow I'd really hate to see the other entrants...
That's interesting as I haven't seen one in person yet. From photos it looks okay but I wouldn't call it beautiful. That said I also don't find it nearly as ugly as some of the over the top comments in this thread.
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Wow I'd really hate to see the other entrants...
That's interesting as I haven't seen one in person yet. From photos it looks okay but I wouldn't call it beautiful. That said I also don't find it nearly as ugly as some of the over the top comments in this thread.
I will also reserve judgment until I see it in person. My BIGGEST gripe honestly is that the back glass and trunk don't all lift together like the other GC cars. At least for realtor GF that makes getting all her stuff in and out a lot easier. That was the major bummer for me.
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