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      07-17-2019, 07:18 AM   #683
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Looks like the 2 coupe is still the only way to find a new old 3 series, sadly, with the compromise of only 2 doors, which won't work for some of us.
I miss being able to have a compact luxurious sedan that delivers thrills without breaking the bank. It seems like aside from the Alfa Giulia nobody in the market will deliver this for the foreseeable future.

Sure there's the C43, S4, and M340i. But they aren't "fun" in the way you and I view that word. I was really counting on the 2er GC to fulfill this niche.
I actually had a long conversation w/ a Giulia owner the other day. He comes from owning a long line of BMWs and Porsches. Said the best car he ever owner was an 07 Cayman but had kids, so he had to give it up. Then he said the best everyday vehicle he owned was a ZHP 330i which he missed very much since getting rid of. He's had an E30, E36, E46 and E90, but thats when he stopped. He simply disliked the F30 and loved the F22 but needed 4 doors.

He bought an Alfa Giulia Q4 and said its the best car he's had in a while and reminds him of his Cayman and ZHP. He said it really is an emotional car and just feels less electronic and more raw. Luckily he's also had no issues in 2 years and 35k miles, and his dealer is paired w/ Porsche and Maserati so loaners are no problem for him and his service department is fast.

Honestly, if you have a good Alfa Dealer Network and can get a good lease deal (I still don't know if I would buy/own one long term) the Giulia is a very enticing car. You can get a 2/3 year lease for cheap. I don't plan on getting one myself, but I am going to test drive one to see if all the wonderful things I've heard about this vehicle are true.
I drove a base Giulia for a weekend last year and it was phenomenal. Literally miles and miles better than any equivalent 3-series. No comparison.

Sure the gearbox was a crappy ZF but honestly for that type of car (4 door sedan) where my expectations were super low it was just a really well engineered and fantastic car to drive. It felt communicative....
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      07-17-2019, 09:30 AM   #684
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looks to be a fixed parcel shelf in the back and does that mean we can assume it wont be a lift back? thats disappointing. Intersting to see they are doing the chrome strip across the full back like the LCI 5er and 7er have. New front bumper looks good but it seems BMW is cutting costs by having their cars share grills with their SUV counterpart. The LCI 5 is getting the X5 grill as the 7er got the x7 grill. This appears to share the x1/2 grill.

really wish bmw would put the rear view camera under the bmw emblem to protect it when not in use instead of above the license plate. It renders the camera pretty much useless in the winter.
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Hood line breaks it all!

It’d be a totally different car it were correctly placed.
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Back to the top of the news feed, eh? Full reveal must be imminent.
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so what is their answer to the CLA45?
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Back to the top of the news feed, eh? Full reveal must be imminent.
July 24th is first reviews I believe, LA Auto Show is possibly the full reveal.
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2GC is simply made for profits and expanding the brand's cliental. It is essentially a competitor for the A3 and A/CLA Class, all of which serve a similar purpose, by offering a lower priced vehicle for those who don't care about cars but just want to be seen with 4 rings, the 3 pointed star or kidney grills, its all about image. Most buyers of the 2GC will likely not know what engine they have under the hood, and won't know that their car is FWD, or even what that means. Hell I remember BMW said back in the day that over 60% of 1 series owners had no idea that their car was RWD.
The fact that large of percentage of 1er owners didn't know what wheels drove the car, is either a complete lie, or proof BMW SA's do a poor job educating their customers.
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Such a missed opportunity IMO - I actually think that this looks good, but the FWD is a deal breaker for me.

Many times I have wished my F80 was just a bit smaller but not different in any other way. Some sort of M2GC or sedan would have been a killer car for BMW, and it is too bad that they didn't make the 2er GC RWD....
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nice grills

Why couldn't they put these same nice grills on the 1-series hatchback?
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liking the new pics posted up
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The fact that large of percentage of 1er owners didn't know what wheels drove the car, is either a complete lie, or proof BMW SA's do a poor job educating their customers.
Statistical bias is dangerous if overlooked, and BMW knows that well.

There is no way they did not understand that even if a customer did not have sufficient mechanical knowledge, he or she must have felt the differentiating confidence in exiting corners, only felt in a well balanced, rear wheel drive car.
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Such a missed opportunity IMO - I actually think that this looks good, but the FWD is a deal breaker for me.

Many times I have wished my F80 was just a bit smaller but not different in any other way. Some sort of M2GC or sedan would have been a killer car for BMW, and it is too bad that they didn't make the 2er GC RWD....
M2GC with AWD, carbon fiber roof with new X3M engine. Top grade leather and at least quality of X3M interior.


Now that would be my dream car.


Sadly that will never be made.
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I'm sure this has been covered, but doesn't the 2 series coupe still have a solid 2 years or so remaining before new design? Why are they about to reveal a gran coupe that looks like a totally different model? Would the new coupe version adopt the front end design of this 4 door?
And I'm sorry but this thing just looks like some sort of quasi hatchback or something. Totally bloated and goofy looking, and I'm disturbed that anyone would have anything positive to say about the design. It's a shame, BMW had the opportunity to create a really good looking car that would have been a nice compliment to its 2-door counterpart.
The render below is my favorite I've seen for a 4-door 2 series. Instead, BMW decides to get too cute

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M2GC with AWD, carbon fiber roof with new X3M engine. Top grade leather and at least quality of X3M interior.


Now that would be my dream car.


Sadly that will never be made.
That could have been awesome...or a return of the 1M, but in hatch form - that would have been well received as well.

I just don't have the need for the overall size of the F80 and the new 3ers...but the practicality is nice. Given the success of the past, smaller 3er M sedans, I don't understand why BMW doesn't do more in that space, while retaining RWD, whether they call it a 1M, M2GC or whatever.
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FWD proportions are just so radically different than RWD proportions. This rear end could literally be from any economy FWD sedan. It's hard for me to believe that BMW are actually going to produce this. I never thought I'd see a FWD BMW sedan...
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Damn it just looks like a Mazda to me now... the hood-line has Ford fusion written all over it.

The FWD/AWD thing doesn't have me surprised, and honestly I have driven some fun FWD cars before... as long as the car is designed and engineered well, turns in correctly and is engaging to drive it. Who knows, maybe they will have an actual shot at the FWD market.

Do I see the new platform as a missed opportunity... of course! A small RWD turbo car with 4 doors would have been a riot... the FWD should have been left on the minis
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I'm sure this has been covered, but doesn't the 2 series coupe still have a solid 2 years or so remaining before new design?
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Why are they about to reveal a gran coupe that looks like a totally different model?
Because it is a separate product being built on a completely separate architecture and it will have its own distinct lifecycle. It is a very similar to the situation that exists today with the 2 Series Coupe/Convertible being unrelated to the 2 Series AT/GT other than the series model number.

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Would the new coupe version adopt the front end design of this 4 door?
No. Any aesthetic similarities will be due to the same familial links that all BMWs from a similar timeframe have. There will be absolutely no exterior parts shared, and only a tiny number of parts shared overall, if any (such as some interior bits like knobs or buttons).

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The render below is my favorite I've seen for a 4-door 2 series.
That is an M2 GC render based on the current M2 Coupe, not strictly a 2 Series. Sure, a RWD 2 Series GC would have better proportions than the FWD one that is coming, but it would look no more like an M2 than a 330i looks like an M3. In other words, it wold not have an aggressive design and quite probably would get plenty of negative feedback just like the G20 has.
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I honestly don't see the point in a 2 series grand coup. Just get a 3 series if you want 4 doors.
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I honestly don't see the point in a 2 series grand coup. Just get a 3 series if you want 4 doors.
You apparently have the same blind spot as BMW.

Yet one competitor has A3 and A4 sedans and the other has A and C sedans.

I'm gonna give credit to BMW for recognizing that they somehow developed a blind spot and misunderstood the market and need to make a compact sedan , but FWD only. Cmon man!!
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