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      10-16-2019, 06:07 PM   #177
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This is stupid. They should just perfect the 3. Let the 2 series remain a small coupe..nothing more.
So BMW shouldn't compete for business from people shopping a CLA or S3? Seems shortsighted. There's an opportunity to win new loyalists to the brand.
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      10-16-2019, 06:08 PM   #178
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That looks hideous! Talk about plugging a gap that doesn't need plugging!
May not have the right looks... but isn't it the size of sedan/saloon many have been crying out for? A 4-door car, similar in size to earlier 3-series models.
Yes. Yes it is.
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      10-16-2019, 06:48 PM   #179
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Do not like, too mazda. Very disappointing bc a solid 2 series would be great option, especially in 4 door.
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      10-16-2019, 06:58 PM   #180
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Nice Hyundai Elantra.

Seriously who designed the headlights.
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To me its a shame you cant get it in manual in the US. BMW had a chance to differentiate themselves from all of the other entry level luxury entries in the market, and could have thrown a bone to the enthusiasts while at it.

Small size, AWD, 4 doors, and a manual would honestly not have been all that bad of a package.

The looks of the car are meh. In colors other than what they are showing in the press photos it looks better (Red, white, and the light blue). Id honestly consider it to replace my Honda Accord daily if you could get a manual, but Im sure hell will freeze over before they offer that in the US.
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      10-16-2019, 07:41 PM   #182
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      10-16-2019, 08:08 PM   #184
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      10-16-2019, 08:41 PM   #185
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Ya know...thinking back, this looks a LOT like one of the very early renders of this car. There was a set before Paul Bracq did his great work, and there was a white M2 variant that I remember...So it appears that BMW was on track with a design with this one a couple years that we had visibility to. We just weren't paying enough attention. I tried searching the 2 series board, but they seem to have cleaned up, meaning that a 2-ish year old post is long gone.

Aha: Found the link

https://www.2addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=907055

Paul's Render would have sold like hotcakes. I know I'd be out of my car for one...after 20 years.

https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1581925

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WTF is this!!!

BMW has completely lost it. It does not look like a BMW from any angle and where is the Hoffmeister kink?
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One of the worst designs in the entire car industry! Just horrible. The direction BMW is heading in terms of performance and styling is awful.
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It's safe to say only sales statistics will vindicate the design direction and decision to launch 2 series GC.
Looking at A3 and CLA sales, I think it will be vindicated.

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on a general note, all this baby m's and baby AMGs are just spoiling the total outlook of their offerings. clearly a great sales strategy to target all customer segments but that distinguishing factor and sense of pride when you own a real M or AMG is just not there anymore. Feel bad for those real M and AMG owners.
Well, I don't think any FWD M235is rolling around has any effect on the enjoyment of my car. If BMW can sell more M Performance cars and thus have more money to plow back into R&D (hopefully to cars I want in the future), then I say bring it on!
unfortunately, not all M / AMG owners that I know have the same selfless view as you do. I can see why, the pricing of cars in general in nearly 100% more than US here in AUS and takes a a lot for one to own an M or AMG.
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When I read people express this sentiment, it sounds like the real people "buying the badge" are those M/AMG owners you describe feeling butt hurt.
Why would they be butthurt by a rebadged Mini?
That is my point. M/AMG buyers choosing their vehicle for its performance shouldn't feel at all threatened. Conversely, I can see those whom purchased their M/AMG because of the badge on the trunk feeling butt hurt because now there's one on a fwd vehicle.
there are people who bought it for the badge and some for the performance and some for both. if it's just performance you are comparing, a JDM will be a lot cheaper and at par on performance. people are different and it's up to what they value and compare
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When I read people express this sentiment, it sounds like the real people "buying the badge" are those M/AMG owners you describe feeling butt hurt.
Why would they be butthurt by a rebadged Mini?
That is my point. M/AMG buyers choosing their vehicle for its performance shouldn't feel at all threatened. Conversely, I can see those whom purchased their M/AMG because of the badge on the trunk feeling butt hurt because now there's one on a fwd vehicle.
there are people who bought it for the badge and some for the performance and some for both. if it's just performance you are comparing, a JDM will be a lot cheaper and at par on performance. people are different and it's up to what they value and compare
My post was a response to the arrogant M/AMG owners whom are criticizing potential buyers of this car as only shopping for a badge. Yet its they who seem to be focused on the badge.
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My post was a response to the arrogant M/AMG owners whom are criticizing potential buyers of this car as only shopping for a badge. Yet its they who seem to be focused on the badge.
No, I believe they're focused on the brand, not the badge. Big difference. The brand is supposed to stand for something special, with certain heritage, design cues, and driving dynamics. All of that, literally all of that, has been thrown out the window for abominations of style, zero driving dynamics, ugly proportions, and really nothing that enthusiasts covet.
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My post was a response to the arrogant M/AMG owners whom are criticizing potential buyers of this car as only shopping for a badge. Yet its they who seem to be focused on the badge.
No, I believe they're focused on the brand, not the badge. Big difference. The brand is supposed to stand for something special, with certain Heritage, design cues, and driving Dynamics. All of that, literally all of that, has been thrown out the window for abominations of style, zero driving dynamics, ugly proportions, and really nothing that enthusiasts covet.
You mean figuratively? Otherwise, that's a hell of a lot of crap being thrown out!
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Downright hideous - have to call it as it is.

Proportions are all wrong, and it's subsequently really awkward no matter which way you look at it.

It's absolutely absurd that you can buy one of these or an x2 (also pointless and ugly), but not a 3er estate in the U.S.

As an aside - the A3/S3/RS3 are soooo much better looking.
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You mean figuratively? Otherwise, that's a hell of a lot of crap being thrown out!
Yeah, it's a big window, like their big grills. So they can fit all that stuff that they are throwing out through that window
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B...b...b...but where is the CarWow video where they compare it for 7-minutes with an 1985 Land Rover D90?
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There is a big difference between being an entry BMW and an econ-box. When 3 series used to be an entry BMW, they were not built on a crap FWD platform with crap design.

If BMW wants to charge near 60K for FAAR platform BMW i.e. M(ini) 235i there needs to be a significantly outstanding trait but judging from the latest M135i, there probably isn't.

This is a near undergraduate project level of effort in engineering and styling and I don't mean that as a compliment. F20 1 series was a better car in every single way bar the interior.
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My post was a response to the arrogant M/AMG owners whom are criticizing potential buyers of this car as only shopping for a badge. Yet its they who seem to be focused on the badge.
No, I believe they're focused on the brand, not the badge. Big difference. The brand is supposed to stand for something special, with certain heritage, design cues, and driving dynamics. All of that, literally all of that, has been thrown out the window for abominations of style, zero driving dynamics, ugly proportions, and really nothing that enthusiasts covet.
Zero driving dynamics? You talk like someone who's driven one.
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