[Sublime00]

https://www.carscoops.com/2021/01/20...but-on-monday/

The CT5 looks more enticing than the CT4 with 650hp, 650lb-ft, and standard 6MT.

We'll see how the reviews are, but I'd get this over an M5 CS, maybe even an M3. Probably under $100k fully loaded, and maybe some massive discounts on leftover stock like the Chevy SS had in its final year. BTW, SS still holds its value really well.

Have to give Cadillac props for making this and offering a stick to save the manuals.

[bvrider1]

If they add AWD to lay that power down...

[R N M]

Both cars look hideous and Cadillac is a dead brand to me. They ruined the V badge and seem to change model names every year - What is CT4 or CT5?

Get the previous gen car and save $50k. Same powertrain.

[Sublime00]

Originally Posted by R N M

Both cars look hideous and Cadillac is a dead brand to me. They ruined the V badge and seem to change model names every year - What is CT4 or CT5?

Get the previous gen car and save $50k. Same powertrain.

Yeah I'm not so sure on Cadillac nomenclature. I'm assuming the CT4 is the 3 series competitor and CT5 the 5 series competitor.

CT4 does look like ass, but the CT5 could be nice.

I never got into Cadillacs, but I'd still give them some credit for making it at an attainable price (w/ a manual option).

[Germanauto]

When Cadillac makes better BMWs than BMW does.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

When Cadillac makes better BMWs than BMW does.

And better marketing too...

[Sublime00]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

And better marketing too...

Lol. Not hard to be better than this :

[stein_325i]

More teasers and leaked option list

[AlexFL]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

When Cadillac makes better BMWs than BMW does.

bs. at this point you guys are just trolling. this is supposed to be better than M5?

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

bs

Drive a previous gen ATS-V or CTS-V, they are great cars. Underpinned by the excellent Alpha Chassis that the 6th Generation Camaro shares, excellent electric steering feel and comfortable and composed Magneride suspensions the V-cars have always been excellent handling vehicles that typically drive much better than their competition. The prior CTS-V was already the best driving car in its class compared to the RS7, E63S, M5 and Panny Turbo.

[AlexFL]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

Drive a previous gen ATS-V or CTS-V, they are great cars. Underpinned by the excellent Alpha Chassis that the 6th Generation Camaro shares, great steering feel and Magneride suspensions the V-cars have always been excellent handling vehicles that typically drive much better than their competition.

I even had an ATS-V. It was a good car indeed. Says nothing about these two blackwings that haven’t even been released yet.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

Drive a previous gen ATS-V or CTS-V, they are great cars. Underpinned by the excellent Alpha Chassis that the 6th Generation Camaro shares, excellent electric steering feel and comfortable and composed Magneride suspensions the V-cars have always been excellent handling vehicles that typically drive much better than their competition. The prior CTS-V was already the best driving car in its class compared to the RS7, E63S, M5 and Panny Turbo.

Yeah, how do they (and a few others, like Porsche) nail electronic steering, where BMW falls so flat on their face?

[Germanauto]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

bs. at this point you guys are just trolling. this is supposed to be better than M5?

I despise GM with a passion, but without a doubt I see more passion and focus from their performance divisions than I see out of BMW. Whether it be the C8 Corvette, Camaro line, or Blackwing models. And even the basic Cadillac sedans drive a whole hell of a lot better than comparable BMWs.

Sure most of the aforementioned vehicles are market failures, but I'll give credit where it's due.

[The__J__Factor]

We don't get Cadillac here, but this looks like a styling step backwards from the previous cts v. I liked that they were angular and doing something different.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

Yeah, how do they (and a few others, like Porsche) nail electronic steering, where BMW falls so flat on their face?

Yep, world of difference, their tuning of steering racks is far superior. I believe they even use the same ZF steering rack as BMW! Honestly BMW needs to poach some engineer's from GM.

[No Boost]

I see they finally moved on from the '90s Cavalier instrument gauges. That simple failure alone was what kept a lot of folks from the ATS-V.....and the chrome wheels which should be forever banned from a performance vehicle.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

Says nothing about these two blackwings that haven't even been released yet.

Not much has changed with the Blackwings from a mechanical perspective. They should drive pretty similar to the previous V's with the addition of gearbox modifications (new 10AT and 6MT) as well as some upgrades like Carbon Ceramics, etc. This is more so an extensive facelift inside and out with some nice upgrades here and there.

[AlexFL]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

Not much has changed with the Blackwings from a mechanical perspective. They should drive pretty similar to the previous V's with the addition of gearbox modifications (new 10AT and 6MT) as well as some upgrades like Carbon Ceramics, etc. This is more so an extensive facelift inside and out with some nice upgrades here and there.

1) Putting that disgusting 10 speed automatic in a performance car like that is a ridiculously bad idea. Why not the 8 speed dual clutch from Corvette or the 8 speed ZF?
2) No AWD in the heavy and overpowered CT5 Blackwing, is that correct? A GM Hellcat? Good luck with that.
3) Still using that massive archaic supercharged 6.2L V8 while the competition has long moved on to the much more efficient yet equally powerful twin-turbo 4.0-4.4L V8 setup? Very innovative.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

1) Putting that disgusting 10 speed automatic in a performance car like that is a ridiculously bad idea. Why not the 8 speed dual clutch from Corvette or the 8 speed ZF?
2) No AWD in the heavy and overpowered CT5 Blackwing, is that correct? A GM Hellcat? Good luck with that.
3) Still using that massive archaic supercharged 6.2L V8 while the competition has long moved on to the much more efficient yet equally powerful twin-turbo 4.0-4.4L V8 setup? Very innovative.

1) Because the 10-Speed is their and Ford's in house design. Why would they outsource a transmission when they have one to use and keep production costs down. The Manual is the one to get and is the star of the show. The CT5 will be the only 4-Door V8 vehicle to feature a Manual in the world. The DCT for the C8 is a Tremec transmission designed specifically for the C8 and its Transaxle it would not work in either CT4 or CT5.

2)AWD is likely to be an option for the CT5 only as it has been found in the leaked options list. RWD is standard on both cars.

3)LT4 is a great engine with plenty of character that matches its American branding. Why blend in with a TTV8 like everyone else when you can stand out. A Supercharged Small-Block V8 gives it a much more raw and engaging feeling that is unique and hard to find in this class of car.

GM is not trying to be the sales king or blend in with these cars. They are going for limited production this time around so they will likely sell every one they make.

[No Boost]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

GM is not trying to be the sales king or blend in with these cars. They are going for limited production this time around so they will likely sell every one they make.

GM knows full well that they will never be the sales king in the M3/M5 class, therefore limited production is a genius idea. Limited production is vague (without actual numbers) so, we'll see if they sell all examples. Are we talking M2CS production numbers?

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by No Boost

GM knows full well that they will never be the sales king in the M3/M5 class, therefore limited production is a genius idea. Limited production is vague (without actual numbers) so, we'll see if they sell all examples. Are we talking M2CS production numbers?

Initial reservations are limited to 500 vehicles (250 for each model) with special perks, and then rumored to transition into an order-only situation for each model. Possibly may end up at a similar situation as the CT6-V but of course more information will come later.

[AlexFL]

I would take the Camaro ZL1 instead. Same specs but cheaper, cooler, quicker.