[JD6]

Originally Posted by isleaiw1

forget politically difficult, can you imagine our govt or their contractors getting that in and working for less than the price of HS2....

On a smaller scale, the ULEZ camera scheme seems to be going about as well as expected…

I thought the latest idea of the protesters was very clever - hanging bat boxes over the cameras. Any sign of bat activity and they’ll be forced to leave them there

[TodmordenLad]

Originally Posted by KCH1984

The Taycan is one of those cars that IMO is desirable irrespective of the form of propulsion. But if looking at numbers I'm pretty sure the equivalent ICE Panamera would cost more per mile, depreciation included.

Anyway, going by recent threads on this forum we should all be driving 20+ year old E39 5 series'

Haha, guilty as charged, I do love the E39, having had one as a co car for a brief spell way back.
For the avoidance of doubt, as the legal folk like to say, I'm no EV hater , I'm just not interested in owning one right now with my long estate-car trips to and from the West Country and to and from mainland Europe.

[KCH1984]

Originally Posted by TodmordenLad

Haha, guilty as charged, I do love the E39, having had one as a co car for a brief spell way back.
For the avoidance of doubt, as the legal folk like to say, I'm no EV hater , I'm just not interested in owning one right now with my long estate-car trips to and from the West Country and to and from mainland Europe.

Glad you took it in the spirit intended in that case!

And on the EV side, I wouldnt have one for your use case either. They work in more cases than some would care to admit, but definitely not all.

[isleaiw1]

Originally Posted by KCH1984

Glad you took it in the spirit intended in that case!

And on the EV side, I wouldnt have one for your use case either. They work in more cases than some would care to admit, but definitely not all.

Apparently France is pretty good for charging - certainly better than parts of Scotland. West Country is improving but I wouldnt fancy needing to charge en route or down there in peak weeks...

[MashinBenzin]

Originally Posted by Pentland

You mean EVs don’t have oil/filter changes or spark plugs to change. Wow. Saves less than £500 over 5 years.

I think I paid £400ish a year for servicing on the Disco. I haven’t spent a single pound yet on the Tesla (18 months).

[MashinBenzin]

Originally Posted by MashinBenzin

I think I paid £400ish a year for servicing on the Disco. I haven’t spent a single pound yet on the Tesla (18 months).

ETA that was a first year service. Didn’t pay for the second. I recall that the second or third was a four figure touch.

[JustChris]

Good choice Dan, exciting times for EV shopping with some pretty great bargains and not a lot mechanically to go wrong with them really.

[Wolverine]

Currently battling head vs heart. Heart says I want the Porsche Macan S I’ve put a deposit on, head says the EV options are too good to ignore right now.

But I need to be able to comfortably do 180 miles in all weathers and conditions for the weekly office run, and ideally fit 3 child seats on the rear bench (not isofix). So I’m not sure whether that limits me in the EV world as that was mostly the reason for binning off the 4 GC.

I really should learn ignore these sensible thoughts

[Danj94]

Originally Posted by JustChris

Good choice Dan, exciting times for EV shopping with some pretty great bargains and not a lot mechanically to go wrong with them really.

Got my eye on a Polestar...

Got to give the BM a wash and take some pics get it up for sale.

[Danj94]

Originally Posted by Wolverine

Currently battling head vs heart. Heart says I want the Porsche Macan S I’ve put a deposit on, head says the EV options are too good to ignore right now.

But I need to be able to comfortably do 180 miles in all weathers and conditions for the weekly office run, and ideally fit 3 child seats on the rear bench (not isofix). So I’m not sure whether that limits me in the EV world as that was mostly the reason for binning off the 4 GC.

I really should learn ignore these sensible thoughts

Yeah same issues I've been going through. Lucky no kids etc so plenty of choices for me.

The Polestar 2 ha really tickled my fancy seems really well equipped and fast in the dual motor version... claimed 290 range but to be honest I do about 30 miles a day so even if i got 200 in peak winter its no sweat.

Really looking forward to it, just need a buyer for mine.

[TodmordenLad]

Maybe I should have bought a Polestar 2 rather than an Audi A4 petrol estate recently. Apart from the overly firm ride, they do get good reviews. I cannot believe the depreciation on low mileage 1 yr olds, up to 45% in many cases! Would have saved a few ££ 🥴

[Danj94]

Originally Posted by TodmordenLad

Maybe I should have bought a Polestar 2 rather than an Audi A4 petrol estate recently. Apart from the overly firm ride, they do get good reviews. I cannot believe the depreciation on low mileage 1 yr olds, up to 45% in many cases! Would have saved a few ££ 🥴

Yes the initial depreciation seems crazy! I am looking to buy a used polestar 2 around 2021 reg so 3 years old. The RRP of the spec I am after was about £58k in 2021.

and 3 years later I am looking to pay £26-27k for an example with less then 30k miles ideally.

Looking at the Tesla model S released in 2014 the top spec costing around £68k and being a now 10 year old car the cheapest example with 116k miles in a private sale is £17k... cheapest from a trade seller is £18.5k with 75k miles. so in 10 years its lost approx 75% of its value from new which seems about right to me.

An M5 from the same era 2014 had an RRP of £73k and 10 years later the cheapest is £18k private with 80k miles and cheapest trade is 20.5k with 60k miles.

Depreciation %'s appear to be the same ish so I'm not living in fear buying a used example worrying the value is going to drop to zero it just isn't.

and to be honest the savings in fuel alone will offset any extra depreciation I'd imagine.

[TodmordenLad]

Originally Posted by Danj94

Yes the initial depreciation seems crazy! I am looking to buy a used polestar 2 around 2021 reg so 3 years old. The RRP of the spec I am after was about £58k in 2021.

and 3 years later I am looking to pay £26-27k for an example with less then 30k miles ideally.

Looking at the Tesla model S released in 2014 the top spec costing around £68k and being a now 10 year old car the cheapest example with 116k miles in a private sale is £17k... cheapest from a trade seller is £18.5k with 75k miles. so in 10 years its lost approx 75% of its value from new which seems about right to me.

An M5 from the same era 2014 had an RRP of £73k and 10 years later the cheapest is £18k private with 80k miles and cheapest trade is 20.5k with 60k miles.

Depreciation %'s appear to be the same ish so I'm not living in fear buying a used example worrying the value is going to drop to zero it just isn't.

and to be honest the savings in fuel alone will offset any extra depreciation I'd imagine.

This is (less than?) a year old and has under 9k miles on it - and it's less than £28k 🥴🥴

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202403077322739

[Danj94]

Originally Posted by TodmordenLad

This is (less than?) a year old and has under 9k miles on it - and it's less than £28k 🥴🥴

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202403077322739

Yes that does seem an insane price... single motor long range rrp is from £44k.

still 16k or so in a year is an insane amount of lost cash. I would say the single motor is far less desirable probably doesnt help with re-sale.

[martin10chk]

Originally Posted by Danj94

Yes that does seem an insane price... single motor long range rrp is from £44k.

still 16k or so in a year is an insane amount of lost cash. I would say the single motor is far less desirable probably doesnt help with re-sale.

I think there may be some pricing in of the risk that Polestar (and hence warranty and support) may cease to exist. https://www.carexpert.com.au/opinion/why-polestar-is-destined-for-failure#

[davyk31]

Polestar would definitely worry me a bit

[Danj94]

Yeah I understand the hesitance around polestar but really they only sell one car, small brand and I imagine been dumping money into development of polestar 3 and 4. Would be tough to turn a profit selling a single car whilst also developing two other brand new cars.

Backed by Geely a monster company, I'm sure Polestar will only fold is Geely choose and it certainly wont be before they see how the polestar 3 & 4 fare on sale across europe, asia and NA.

That said talk of billions lost is scary and wont be helping their value!