[boba-fett]

Originally Posted by gangzoom

Our EV is 7 years old this year, will have done over 85k by the end of the year. Battery degradation is at 5-7% depending on how cold it is. I’ve lost count the number of mobile phones and laptop batteries I’ve gone through in the same time period. DC rapid charging speed/curve is identical now than new (in fact it charges quicker than new due to more higher power chargers that can sustain 100KW+ around).

Comparing an EV battery pack to something found in a consumer electronic device is like comparing the engine in a pull start lawnmower with the engine in a M5. Both are combustion engines, both run off petrol, so what’s the difference?

Thats good to know yours is doing well

[Pond]

Originally Posted by boba-fett

This does make me wonder as well. Most of the tech comes from Laptop batteries, my current Lenovo Laptop is on its second battery of a 2 year old laptop. It started off giving 8 hours of unplugged life, but that dwindles and dwindles to being under 90 minutes, then dead charge the battery even when its plugged in.

Its got to happen, the problems of batteries has not been solved.

Same experience with most laptops.....however Apple stuff seem to make batteries last for years and years and years.

7 year old ipad in the house, never puts a foot wrong on the battery front (or any other front TBH). Yet there is a cupboard full of 'old knackered laptops' from other brands.

Hopefully the EV batteries are from the same technology as Apple?

[Bryans69]

Originally Posted by Pond

Same experience with most laptops.....however Apple stuff seem to make batteries last for years and years and years.

7 year old ipad in the house, never puts a foot wrong on the battery front (or any other front TBH). Yet there is a cupboard full of 'old knackered laptops' from other brands.

Hopefully the EV batteries are from the same technology as Apple?

I hope not. Wife and myself always get new phones at the same time as on same contract. My Samsung always has way better battery life at the end of contract than her iPhone

[Pentland]

Originally Posted by Bryans69

I hope not. Wife and myself always get new phones at the same time as on same contract. My Samsung always has way better battery life at the end of contract than her iPhone

That means nothing. My wife and I do the same but iPhones only. Her battery never lasts as long as mine. She probably uses her phone more but also charges it daily. I don’t.

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by boba-fett

Interesting choice

Ticks all the right boxes for me V12 front engine Ferrari, room for more than two, practical amount of space, gated manual, pop up headlights etc...I'd take one in dark green or blue with tan leather.

[Bryans69]

Originally Posted by Pentland

That means nothing. My wife and I do the same but iPhones only. Her battery never lasts as long as mine. She probably uses her phone more but also charges it daily. I don’t.

I'll agree it's hardly scientific, but our usage and charging patterns are pretty similar, and the Samsung has consistently had a better battery life at end of contract. In fact I'm constantly surprised how shite the iPhone battery is

[KCH1984]

Thought I’d leave this here…

https://youtu.be/8bg8VveKvhM?si=bAwbbv2RueYIOIZu

[KCH1984]

https://youtu.be/TcbsW_mvNh8?si=nAwDqDiV0zt_azZC

He quite likes this EV

[SkyJawa]

I think he prefers this though:

[TurboWeasel]

Originally Posted by SkyJawa

I think he prefers this though:

Who wouldn't

[TurboWeasel]

Originally Posted by Bryans69

I'll agree it's hardly scientific, but our usage and charging patterns are pretty similar, and the Samsung has consistently had a better battery life at end of contract. In fact I'm constantly surprised how shite the iPhone battery is

Not even remotely comparable without context, let alone 'scientific'.

Just for balance - 3 years ago I bought an iPhone 13 Pro Max and the missus bought a Galaxy S21 Ultra. Mine is still on 96% battery capacity, hers is on 82%. We're both average 4 hours daily screen time. I use YouTube and web browsing mostly and she use the usual girly trash apps. I don't know what the wAH differences are but I would imagine the pro Max has a bigger battery.

[Bryans69]

Originally Posted by TurboWeasel

Not even remotely comparable without context, let alone 'scientific'.

Just for balance - 3 years ago I bought an iPhone 13 Pro Max and the missus bought a Galaxy S21 Ultra. Mine is still on 96% battery capacity, hers is on 82%. We're both average 4 hours daily screen time. I use YouTube and web browsing mostly and she use the usual girly trash apps. I don't know what the wAH differences are but I would imagine the pro Max has a bigger battery.

I agree, I was just replying to someone who said the he hoped EV batteries were made the same technology as Apple ones, and I was stating that in our household, they are consistently the worst performing ones.

To be honest, I hope (and believe) all EV batteries (and the charging circuits) are considerably better than any mobile / laptop battery tech

[danb1979]

Originally Posted by TurboWeasel

Not even remotely comparable without context, let alone 'scientific'.

Just for balance - 3 years ago I bought an iPhone 13 Pro Max and the missus bought a Galaxy S21 Ultra. Mine is still on 96% battery capacity, hers is on 82%. We're both average 4 hours daily screen time. I use YouTube and web browsing mostly and she use the usual girly trash apps. I don't know what the wAH differences are but I would imagine the pro Max has a bigger battery.

IIRC the Samsung has the bigger battery; but Apple get better longevity out of their batteries and the RAM is used much better; that's why they've never needed the selling point of 12GB RAM etc...

Anyways; I digress

[SkyJawa]

Originally Posted by KCH1984

Thought I’d leave this here…

https://youtu.be/8bg8VveKvhM?si=bAwbbv2RueYIOIZu

Just seen this, how does that 335d pass an MOT with all the smoke! Obviously DPF removed. (Guess they put it back on for MOT time)

[KCH1984]

Originally Posted by SkyJawa

Just seen this, how does that 335d pass an MOT with all the smoke! Obviously DPF removed. (Guess they put it back on for MOT time)

Horrendous isn't it? And it's not like the 335d doesn't make good power with its emissions gear intact.

[TurboWeasel]

Originally Posted by Bryans69

I agree, I was just replying to someone who said the he hoped EV batteries were made the same technology as Apple ones, and I was stating that in our household, they are consistently the worst performing ones.

To be honest, I hope (and believe) all EV batteries (and the charging circuits) are considerably better than any mobile / laptop battery tech

No worries, I was just adding to the conversation.

EV charging and monitoring is way more sophisticated than mobile phones you will be pleased to know

[TurboWeasel]

Originally Posted by SkyJawa

Just seen this, how does that 335d pass an MOT with all the smoke! Obviously DPF removed. (Guess they put it back on for MOT time)

I would be super embarrassed if mine kicked out smoke like that. There's enough diesel stigma as it is, thanks to dieselgate!

You should see the smoke Darkside Developments modded 30 and 35ds kick out. Coal rolling springs to mind.

And that's the thing with EVs. All that noise and smoke from the 335d and the Tesla is just as quick but silent

[Tengocity]

Originally Posted by Wills2

I'll join in it's a good question, I'd get a Ferrari 456.

Are you in fact Manish Pandey?!

[Allworth]

No doubts EVs are taking over fossil fueled engines, they are really great and much more simple machines and are really quiet - making dogs and their walkers on a high streets happy.
A problem that's been outlined in a journal is that EVs are currently hardly affordable, as there is a little second hand market of these comparing to fossil powered vehicles. At the same time EVs are cheaper on a long run.

[Wills2]

On the theme of EVs being expensive (which I think they are, as all cars appear to be at the moment) a friend runs a used car dealership, and he has a 2.5 year old iX3 (premier pro spec) in at the moment on 40k miles, 70k retail when new that is now £30k on his forecourt so probably bought in for 27k.

To me that is a bit of a bargain that's an awful lot of still in warranty car for the price of a base 1 series, not that you'd want to be the person/FSC who lost £1400 a month whilst owning it mind.

But at these prices they are worth looking at.

[Bryans69]

Originally Posted by Allworth

No doubts EVs are taking over fossil fueled engines, they are really great and much more simple machines and are really quiet - making dogs and their walkers on a high streets happy.
A problem that's been outlined in a journal is that EVs are currently hardly affordable, as there is a little second hand market of these comparing to fossil powered vehicles. At the same time EVs are cheaper on a long run.

You can pick up a second hand Model 3 with 65k miles for £17k. Not jalopy money, but not expensive.

Or lease an new MG 4 for £340 per month.

A new EV model anything against the same ICE model is more expensive, but they are definitely becoming more attainable.

[Wills2]

Originally Posted by Tengocity

Are you in fact Manish Pandey?!

I wish I had his hair, but not his car history.

For a fairly rare car (I think) 4 have sold recently on CC with another two about to go live, Manesh really doesn't have an excuse for not buying one, but he never will, I suspect the steering committee won't allow it.

I liked this black one with Tan leather even with LHD

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/...rrari-456-gt-8

Nice blue one as well

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/...rrari-456-gt-3