09-28-2017, 10:56 PM | #156 |
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Are they doing this because it looks like the industry is moving towards phasing out the sedan body style in favor of the hatchbatch/gran coupe design?
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09-29-2017, 07:06 AM | #158 |
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They are doing it to cover their bases. They already have a 1 Series Sedan, so with the addition of a 2 Series GC they can appeal to whatever the tastes are in a given market. There is also the 2 GT/AT, although those currently have an MPV-like form factor rather than the more car-like 3GT (soon to be 4GT) and 6GT of their big brothers. Obviously coupe-like sedans and hatchbacks are growing in popularity as you point out, but whether the traditional three box sedan will disappear completely remains to be seen.
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Looks like a Volvo
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Which are ugly as hell.
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I doubt very much if it will put current 2 owners off for the above reasons!! do buyers really think that way?? And besides, the 2 coupe will be the ONLY option for buyers wanting a RWD compact BMW hard top!! I don't understand why they couldn't have based this car on the RWD coupe, after all, we can be sure it will have premium pricing!!! Last edited by nozydog; 09-29-2017 at 11:49 AM.. |
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09-29-2017, 11:54 AM | #164 |
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Apparently not according to many 'in the know' members on this forum... not quite sure how they know though, because I'd have agreed with you on this!!
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09-29-2017, 12:05 PM | #165 |
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This... you RWD purists make i larf you really do! FWD (original) Ford Focus & Mondeo, VW Scirocco along with plenty of others are great to drive FWD cars (I've had all those named) It's a bit like listening to the anti EV brigade getting their knickers in a twist!! Nothing wrong with any of these concepts, if you don't like it, don't buy it... but you may just miss out!!
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Actually.. I really think that in this case.. it's BMW that has tried to " design vehicles for fat Americans " rather than design vehicles that americans will purchase. The decision to not produce a compact sedan at BMW is baffling to me.. and it is a decision that most other companies have proceeded to take away market share. What's most surprising is that the E30 M3 sedan and then the E36 M3 sedan literally DEFINED the euro compact sedan market through E46 guise. Then BMW came up with their own idea that everyone in America only wants a big sedan or SUV... and that hatchbacks, convertibles, and compact sedans aren't where they want to make any money. Since then.. Audi A3 has come in under the A4 Mercedes CLA has come in under the C class Lexus IS has come under the ES VW has placed the CC between the Jettta and Passat while not really a competitor..... check out HONDA. They have enlarged the Accord and Civic... but also introduced Clarity sedan and the Honda Fit is their smallest model. At the same time... BMW enlarged their 3 Series, 5 series and 7 series.. and ignored the fact that a 1 series sedan would have been great for the US. BMW stubbornly produced 1 series hatches in 3 and 5 door version for Euro markets.. but not the US.... late in the game providing a coupe only in deference to the US market. Then.. BMW developed a 2 series replacement and STILL ignored what the competition was doing.. BMW AGAIN decided to produce a COUPE only for the 2 series.. while continuing to sell 1 series variants in 3 and 5 door guise in Europe only.. BMW lost the midsize European sales crown in the US that they have so coveted and protected.... BMW then decided that they could ONLY market a compact sedan in Asian markets... apparently because people are smaller there? Finally.. while competitors have SNATCHED market share like a fat kid eating cake. BMW has finally realized... Hey.. we could be selling a 2 series sedan... So... it seems to me that nearly every premium manufacturer has a lineup of compact, midsize and full size sedans EXCEPT BMW.. ( add Volvo and infiniti to this list.. but they don't make small cars ANYWHERE). As far as I am concerned.. there is little blame on fat americans.. and a lot of blame to be placed at the feet of BMW AG and NA. Last edited by M3 Adjuster; 09-29-2017 at 01:03 PM.. |
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It's coming. In the form of the new Supra.
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That is a good one. Cheers to you.
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I wouldn't by a Toyota if you plan to track it. They don't stand behind their product. The engine in a friend's FR-S got trashed from a broken valve spring The spring broke at 3500 RPM but, since it happened on the track, Toyota rejected the warranty repair.
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XC90.. BMW has refused to go big til now. XC40 cute ute is out . It fits the marque. BMW has manufactured just 3,000 M2 in two model years plus. I bet they crank out that many X3Ms in two months. Get into that house ASAP.. hard to find homes in midprice ranges anymore. The flippers are turning them all faster than homeowners can get to them. |
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09-29-2017, 11:36 PM | #172 |
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2 series grand coupe? Just a smushed and more cramped 3 series. Meh. 2 is too small for. Grand coupe imo.
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09-30-2017, 07:56 AM | #174 | |
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Given this, they actually are finally addressing the hole in the lineup that you rightfully point out. I fully agree with you that it has been a ridiculous omission. Furthermore, I, too, would have preferred RWD, not least because going with the UKL platform will preclude an M model, at least for this generation. So, if there is a fail, it is that - no M2 GC, so still no RS3 and CLA45/A45 competitor. |
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I always thought my m235i would make a nice little four door. This looks good, but on a fwd platform? Even with x drive, what would the ///M driving dynamics be like? M235i or Mini Cooper clubman???
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