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      10-15-2019, 12:13 PM   #89
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You do know that a regular 330i can be equipped with all of the same equipment as an M340i (except for tire and cooling package) and pretty much have the same handling but with less power.

The M340i is essentially a 340i with the M-Sport pack.

Same thing with the M550. And if they are requested to certain driving characteristics by M GmbH, then the M550 is a fail of an M car.
I know but it doesn't change the fact of how BMW considers the model range.
Yes , to defend the competition of marketing obviously
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anyone know why they're going back to the 35 designation over the 40?
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Did BMW never read the story of the Acura ILX? Aka the "fancy Civic" flop.
They've been reading the sales figures from Audi and Mercedes re: the A3 and CLA and thinking, "we need a piece of that market."
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anyone know why they're going back to the 35 designation over the 40?
It is a 2 litre 306hp 4 cylinder engine (B48) used in all the FWD biased cars. The 40 is for the B58 6 cylinder cars.
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anyone know why they're going back to the 35 designation over the 40?
This is the 300hp version of the 4 cylinder B48 engine. BMW's badging seems to correspond to horsepower. The current lineup is:

30i = ~250hp
35i = ~300hp
40i = ~350hp
50i = ~450hp or ~530hp depending on engine variant
60i = ~600hp
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Every new BMW I see is more and more looking like a Kia

This is not an attractive car
Amen! BMW's now don't even look like BMW's. Now, they all look like everything else
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Did BMW never read the story of the Acura ILX? Aka the "fancy Civic" flop.
They probably didn't have time to read about the ILX, they were too busy reading about the 70,000 Audi A3's and Mercedes CLA's getting sold every year in U.S. that BMW didn't have any competition for. Now you can add the A-class to that, as well.

They needed a car in this segment. They should have come out with it YEARS ago, and brought the 1-Series sedan over here. But whatever, we finally have something comparable, and that's a good thing. If you don't like FWD-based cars, congrats - I'm going to let you in on a secret people seem to forget on this site daily. Ready? Here it is: THE EXISTENCE OF THIS CAR IS NOT STOPPING YOU FROM CONTINUING TO GET THE BIGGER, MORE EXPENSIVE, REAR DRIVE BASED BMW's. You were never the target audience for the 2GC, CLA, A-class, A3, etc. It's at least as good looking as those cars, if not better, and will drive fine for what it is. We have chastised BMW for years for all the micro niches they've tried filling, but that's not the case here. This is a big market. It needed filling. It is absolutely ridiculous to expect BMW to miss out on their cut of 6000 sales per month, especially since almost every one of them would come at the expense of their two primary competitors in Audi and Mercedes. Every single 2GC they sell is an A3 or CLA/A-class that DIDN'T sell. So get down off your moral high horses.
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Looks like a nice daily compact car to drive.

Waiting for the M2 Gran Coupe
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anyone know why they're going back to the 35 designation over the 40?
It is a 2 litre 306hp 4 cylinder engine (B48) used in all the FWD biased cars. The 40 is for the B58 6 cylinder cars.
so you think there won't be a 6cyl 'm'?
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anyone know why they're going back to the 35 designation over the 40?
This is the 300hp version of the 4 cylinder B48 engine. BMW's badging seems to correspond to horsepower. The current lineup is:

30i = ~250hp
35i = ~300hp
40i = ~350hp
50i = ~450hp or ~530hp depending on engine variant
60i = ~600hp
so you think there won't be a 6cyl 'm'?
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so you think there won't be a 6cyl 'm'?
Not with this platform and bodystyle, which is FWD.

I think they are still going to launch a 2-Series Coupe (model G42) in 2021+, which will be RWD and probably have a M2 variant.
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so you think there won't be a 6cyl 'm'?
Not for the 2 series Gran Coupe. It will simply not fit.
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My first thought is where's the shadow line trim? Why is the trim around the windows brightwork instead of black?

The aqua-blue paint is doing nothing for this car. They should have shown it in a more-aggressive color.

This thing has crazy overhangs. I understand the front overhang is needed to accommodate the engine pointing the wrong direction, but what's the excuse for the rear overhang? Visual and weight balance?
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Pretty good looking Chevrolet Cruze. For a BMW this is ugly af!
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My first thought is where's the shadow line trim? Why is the trim around the windows brightwork instead of black?

The aqua-blue paint is doing nothing for this car. They should have shown it in a more-aggressive color.

This thing has crazy overhangs. I understand the front overhang is needed to accommodate the engine pointing the wrong direction, but what's the excuse for the rear overhang? Visual and weight balance?
first photo shows a 228 with shadow-line trim. In America we only get shadow-line on M-sport trims, but in Europe they have the option for chrome window trim.
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It's like everything that's coming out of BMW is just not making me as excited as I used to be. I used to own a M235i and the excitement was so so high and then there's this.
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Honestly...that looks absolutely depressing. The fact that it is FWD makes me want to throw up on my own eyes
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They probably didn't have time to read about the ILX, they were too busy reading about the 70,000 Audi A3's and Mercedes CLA's getting sold every year in U.S. that BMW didn't have any competition for. Now you can add the A-class to that, as well.

They needed a car in this segment. They should have come out with it YEARS ago, and brought the 1-Series sedan over here. But whatever, we finally have something comparable, and that's a good thing. If you don't like FWD-based cars, congrats - I'm going to let you in on a secret people seem to forget on this site daily. Ready? Here it is: THE EXISTENCE OF THIS CAR IS NOT STOPPING YOU FROM CONTINUING TO GET THE BIGGER, MORE EXPENSIVE, REAR DRIVE BASED BMW's. You were never the target audience for the 2GC, CLA, A-class, A3, etc. It's at least as good looking as those cars, if not better, and will drive fine for what it is. We have chastised BMW for years for all the micro niches they've tried filling, but that's not the case here. This is a big market. It needed filling. It is absolutely ridiculous to expect BMW to miss out on their cut of 6000 sales per month, especially since almost every one of them would come at the expense of their two primary competitors in Audi and Mercedes. Every single 2GC they sell is an A3 or CLA/A-class that DIDN'T sell. So get down off your moral high horses.
Well said, and I'd add to that for every "enthusiast" who SAYS they won't buy this car because it's FWD, no I6, no manual, etc. (that wouldn't have actually bought it if they did make with said items) there are 10 people who WILL buy it because of the increased interior room / better fuel economy / lower price that this setup enables.

If reports are the be believed, we still have these things coming up in the "drift machine" albeit with just 2 doors. If you really want / need 4 doors with RWD, gt a 340.
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Looks like the current Toyota Corolla sedan. Should have made it look like the Corolla hatch at least. So it's a Corolla with available AWD and slightly more power.
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Wow, bmw is on a roll! They're consistently making the ugliest cars in each category!
Since they nailed ugly, they're now focusing on boring! Just like the 1er, there's no reason whatsoever to pick this up over the competition...
Sad times, bmw!
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Well said, and I'd add to that for every "enthusiast" who SAYS they won't buy this car because it's FWD, no I6, no manual, etc. (that wouldn't have actually bought it if they did make with said items) there are 10 people who WILL buy it because of the increased interior room / better fuel economy / lower price that this setup enables.

If reports are the be believed, we still have these things coming up in the "drift machine" albeit with just 2 doors. If you really want / need 4 doors with RWD, gt a 340.

thing is, BMW already have that. It's called MINI.

I guess BMW has MINI brand and share this platform, so why not doing this car.
It cost nothing to them.
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