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      09-30-2017, 11:54 AM   #177
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I always thought my m235i would make a nice little four door. This looks good, but on a fwd platform? Even with x drive, what would the ///M driving dynamics be like? M235i or Mini Cooper clubman???
The latter, since it will share its UKL platform.
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      09-30-2017, 11:55 AM   #178
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I always thought my m235i would make a nice little four door. This looks good, but on a fwd platform? Even with x drive, what would the ///M driving dynamics be like? M235i or Mini Cooper clubman???
The latter, since it will share its UKL platform.

I will stick to two door rwd. The m235i is super fun to drive. Minis are not quite as much fun and they are more difficult to repair.
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      10-01-2017, 02:23 AM   #179
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This... you RWD purists make i larf you really do! FWD (original) Ford Focus & Mondeo, VW Scirocco along with plenty of others are great to drive FWD cars (I've had all those named) It's a bit like listening to the anti EV brigade getting their knickers in a twist!! Nothing wrong with any of these concepts, if you don't like it, don't buy it... but you may just miss out!!
But in the end, the best driving FWD car is still no match for the best driving RWD car. Laugh all you want but the joke is on you.
Yup, I can see Ferrari, Porsche and McLaren all switching to the dynamically superior FWD soon

What I don't understand is why BMW didn't just keep the Active Tourer and this New GC as part of the 1 series line up as this is also due to lose its unique selling point. Conceptually, it doesn't sit neatly to have FWD and RWD in the same model line.

The fact that BMW said 8/10 cats didn't know their one series (of which most were probably a baby 116d) was rear wheel drive is a failure of the marketing and sales staff, not a reason to end the fantastic RWD 125d/i and M140i. Might as well just buy a Golf R next time as there will be Hobson's choice in this segment.
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      10-01-2017, 02:24 AM   #180
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      10-01-2017, 02:56 AM   #181
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This... you RWD purists make i larf you really do! FWD (original) Ford Focus & Mondeo, VW Scirocco along with plenty of others are great to drive FWD cars (I've had all those named) It's a bit like listening to the anti EV brigade getting their knickers in a twist!! Nothing wrong with any of these concepts, if you don't like it, don't buy it... but you may just miss out!!
But in the end, the best driving FWD car is still no match for the best driving RWD car. Laugh all you want but the joke is on you.
Yup, I can see Ferrari, Porsche and McLaren all switching to the dynamically superior FWD soon

What I don't understand is why BMW didn't just keep the Active Tourer and this New GC as part of the 1 series line up as this is also due to lose its unique selling point. Conceptually, it doesn't sit neatly to have FWD and RWD in the same model line.

The fact that BMW said 8/10 cats didn't know their one series (of which most were probably a baby 116d) was rear wheel drive is a failure of the marketing and sales staff, not a reason to end the fantastic RWD 125d/i and M140i. Might as well just buy a Golf R next time as there will be Hobson's choice in this segment.
Of course BMW could be really bold (but they won't) and build their hot hatches on the current 2er RWD platform
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      10-02-2017, 04:00 AM   #182
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But in the end, the best driving FWD car is still no match for the best driving RWD car. Laugh all you want but the joke is on you.
I know, I know, and of course you're right, so real enthusiasts wanting the absolute best undiluted drive (in a compact) will be forced to buy a 2 coupe! But as a great daily driver, on road only, this will be interesting as it's such a nice size and reasonably practical!
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That front overhang :-(
Yeah it's not great is it, mind you I've seen a helluva lot worse... Alfa Brera springs to mind!!

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M235i prototype spied again! See photos @ http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1425466
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      01-30-2018, 11:18 AM   #185
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Ahh the model everyone has been asking for. Let's hope they give it the right engine and drivetrain.
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I wonder how different the dimensions are to the E36? Too small for me now but interested to see it.
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Interesting to see that guy cheesing for the camera. Most test drivers seems they avoid being seen
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It looks like a stretched Prius... :-S
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Ahh the model everyone has been asking for. Let's hope they give it the right engine and drivetrain.
Already confirmed to have the wrong part of both per mkoesel
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Interesting to see that guy cheesing for the camera. Most test drivers seems they avoid being seen
Would have been nice if he was cheesing that much due to amazing driving dynamics but pretty sure he's doing like 2mph right there
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Ahh the model everyone has been asking for. Let's hope they give it the right engine and drivetrain.
Already confirmed to have the wrong part of both per mkoesel
Maybe it might have a correct option? Hopefully? :


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Interesting to see that guy cheesing for the camera. Most test drivers seems they avoid being seen
Agreed. Most people hella stoic like they just lost all their money on a gamble. Haha
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His 'busted' smile is classic!
Maybe it's SCOTT26
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So a 2.0L is now a 35i, love it. The erosion continues.

I say we'll have a 390i in 10 years powered by a 2 cylinder 0.9L engine
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Already confirmed to have the wrong part of both per mkoesel
Maybe it might have a correct option? Hopefully? :


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Interesting to see that guy cheesing for the camera. Most test drivers seems they avoid being seen
Agreed. Most people hella stoic like they just lost all their money on a gamble. Haha
Every time I get optimistic that bmw might get their head out of their arses and make a RWD compact sedan again , mkoesel comes and kicks sand in my face so I figured i would invite him back around for ya.

My BMW wishlist

1- M2 further progress - with 6MT
2- M2 Gran coupe with RWD and 6MT
3- curious about X3M vs X3M40

Either way .. my future bmw buying is looking pretty bleak, because I'm not buying any of the current products.
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      01-30-2018, 11:32 AM   #198
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So a 2.0L is now a 35i, love it. The erosion continues.

I say we'll have a 390i in 10 years powered by a 2 cylinder 0.9L engine
You mean 2 electric motors.
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