M235 viable alternative to M4?

[Chill72]

Originally Posted by Nantucket

Who are your people in the loop?

Found them.

[Powaup]

Do lease takeover on an e92 M3 then get in an M4. LCI perhaps?

[JustChris]

Originally Posted by shaz1410

Chester have you had any quotes on the 235?

Got one coming back today, will PM you once I know. Have you, know the APR yet? I noticed Broadspeed were already offering £2k off the M235i which is unusal but made sjure to mention it to the dealer!!

[Kadema]

The M235i is actually 42kg (92.6lbs) lighter than the M4. You can't (easily) compare US trim (as mentioned in the article) to DIN or EU weight.

[Black Gold]

Originally Posted by Kadema

The M235i is actually 42kg (92.6lbs) lighter than the M4. You can't (easily) compare US trim (as mentioned in the article) to DIN or EU weight.

Link?

According to car and driver, BMW says the 235 is 3500+ Lbs

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...t-drive-review

[m3ct]

I would wait for the M4. The m235 is not a true M car as stated by BMW. You'll probably just regret that purchase once you test drive the M4.

[Kadema]

Originally Posted by KennyPowers

Link?

According to car and driver, BMW says the 235 is 3500+ Lbs

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...t-drive-review

Links are already provided. Just click on M235i/M4. "Leergewicht" is EU norm weight including all fluids, 90% fuel, 75kg (165lbs) driver+luggage, no options. US curb weight will be higher as some options have to be included plus 10% fuel. See the sticky from Boss330. When comparing the weight of different vehicles you really must pay attention how exactly it is measured. There are huge differences.

[Jockey]

Originally Posted by Kadema

Links are already provided. Just click on M235i/M4. "Leergewicht" is EU norm weight including all fluids, 90% fuel, 75kg (165lbs) driver+luggage, no options. US curb weight will be higher as some options have to be included plus 10% fuel. See the sticky from Boss330. When comparing the weight of different vehicles you really must pay attention how exactly it is measured. There are huge differences.

DIN/EU weight of M235i (manual) = 3297 lbs
DIN/EU weight of M4 (manual) = 3300 lbs

I see a 3 lbs difference

[Kadema]

Originally Posted by Jockey

DIN/EU weight of M235i (manual) = 3297 lbs
DIN/EU weight of M4 (manual) = 3300 lbs

I see a 3 lbs difference

I don't know where you got your numbers from, but they must be wrong. Besides, DIN and EU is not the same.

DIN weight M235i (manual): 3207 lbs
EU weight M235i (manual): 3373 lbs
http://www.bmw.de/de/neufahrzeuge/2e...che-daten.html

DIN weight M4 (manual): 3300 lbs
EU weight M4 (manual): 3466 lbs
http://www.bmw.de/de/neufahrzeuge/M/...che-daten.html

[Jockey]

Originally Posted by Kadema

I don't know where you got your numbers from, but they must be wrong. Besides, DIN and EU is not the same.

You're right, my fault, those are the DIN figures.

I got them from the official numbers released here on bimmerpost:

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=923444

http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=903957

So unless the official numbers BMW released are wrong...

[solstice]

I was thinking about the M235i for a while but now when I've seen it in action and read reviews it's very unlikely I'll get one. It looks very soft and at least one review mention that the steering is numb. Accurate and precise but numb. I'll still drive it when I get a chance but I think it will feel like a huge downgrade from the E90 M3.

[Kadema]

Originally Posted by Jockey

You're right, my fault, those are the DIN figures.

I got them from the official numbers released here on bimmerpost:

http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=923444

http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=903957

So unless the official numbers BMW released are wrong...

The numbers on bimmerpost for the m235i/228i shown under 'comparisons' are misleading as they suggest DIN=EU. There might even be a typo (3207 lbs vs 3297 lbs).

Official BMW numbers are certified by third party (TÜV = german "technical surveillance service") which reports to german legal authorities, so it's highly unlikely that those numbers are wrong. However, official US spec numbers are a whole different story.

@solstice: Yes, even though slightly heavier, I think M3/4 will be noticable better in (almost) every aspect.

[Jockey]

Originally Posted by Kadema

The numbers on bimmerpost for the m235i/228i shown under 'comparisons' are misleading as they suggest DIN=EU. There might even be a typo (3207 lbs vs 3297 lbs).

Official BMW numbers are certified by third party (TÜV = german "technical surveillance service") which reports to german legal authorities, so it's highly unlikely that those numbers are wrong. However, official US spec numbers is a whole different story.

Ok, super. But it does look like the numbers got hosed somewhere.





There is a 42 kg = 92.5 lbs difference. So yes, the M235i is lighter.

[Kadema]

Originally Posted by Jockey

Ok, super. But it does look like the numbers got hosed somewhere.


There is a 42 kg = 92.5 lbs difference. So yes, the M235i is lighter.

I'm not sure if I can understand 'to hose' correctly. Can you explain, please?

[Jockey]

Originally Posted by Kadema

I'm not sure if I can understand 'to hose' correctly. Can you explain, please?

hosed (verb)

1. screw up
2. to make incorrect

[Kadema]

Thanks.

Well, I've read somewhere, that they do embarrasing but legal things like throwing out foot mats and the warning triangle before weighing.

Also, there are absolutely no options included, while Boss330 said, US weight usually includes 100% instead of 90% fuel plus any option expected to be in more than 33% of vehicles sold. This could be at least 100-150lbs. I think this is the main reason why US forumers are very disbelieving when reading about EU or even DIN weight numbers. But it seems to be just about different (legal) definitions, not about screwing up or evil marketing.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by Kadema

The M235i is actually 42kg (92.6lbs) lighter than the M4. You can't (easily) compare US trim (as mentioned in the article) to DIN or EU weight.

Thanks for the links.

In theory an M2 could be less than 3100 lbs (by this same EU standard) if they put the same effort in as they did the M3/M4, especially since SCOTT has said now that it will drop two cylinders.

[Kadema]

Welcome.

If there will be a M2, I doubt it will be much more than 50lbs lighter than an M235i, so more like 3150lbs DIN / 3315lbs EU / ~3450lbs US. But that's just me.

[Chill72]

Any way you slice it, M235 is too heavy.

[thebmw]

Originally Posted by E92_SID

Just wait for the m4 otherwise you are going to regret it.. AGAIN! I'm in a similar place as you. I traded my M3 in 3 months ago for a 2014 Jeep SRT and almost immediately regretted it. I'm already on the list to get my M4 ASAP! Even though I know I'm gonna take an ugly hit on the jeep after less than a year of ownership. Oh well. It only money right...life is too short not to enjoy it to its fullest potential. And in my book, that means I need an M again!

I was in the same boat, but then test drove the M3 after owning an SRT. The SRT exhaust note is pure bliss. The M3 sounds wimpy and anemic in comparison. I couldn't go back to the BMW exhaust note! The new M4 sounds absolutely awful!

[Kadema]

Originally Posted by Chill72

Any way you slice it, M235 is too heavy.

Actually, considering the price and that it's no real M and got no carbon on it at all, I think the weight is quite good. Of course, we all want that 40k $, 2800lbs, 600hp 40mpg NA V8 with decent quality and full leather interior that nobody else owns...

[paddy335]

Evo magazine is convinced about the M235

http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evoc...nd_prices.html