F1 2021: Abu Dhabi GP - Yas Marina (Dec 12)

3798j · 12-10-2021, 03:08 PM

I'd like to point out that there was only one other time that the last F1 race of the season had two drivers tied for points. It was the 1974 season and the race was the USGP at Watkins Glen. The drivers were Emerson Fittipaldi (McLaren) and Clay Regazzoni (Ferrari). Fittipaldi qualified 8th, Regazzoni 9th. By finishing 4th, Fittipaldi outpointed Regazzoni's troubled 11th place finish. Would like to add at the time it was the 10th grand prix I was in attendance.

SoftShoe · 12-10-2021, 03:36 PM

I know very little about f1 and very little about Gran Turismo on my PS4.
That said, this much is true:

When I know I have a faster car, I drive more like Lewis.

When I don’t, I drive more like Max.

Because of that silly nearly irrelevant experience, I suspect that the different performance levels of their cars may have more influence over each man’s approach to risk and the rules than the character of the men themselves.

Killed by Death · 12-10-2021, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SoftShoe

I know very little about f1 and very little about Gran Turismo on my PS4.
That said, this much is true:

When I know I have a faster car, I drive more like Lewis.

When I don’t, I drive more like Max.

Because of that silly nearly irrelevant experience, I suspect that the different performance levels of their cars may have more influence over each man’s approach to risk and the rules than the character of the men themselves.

So, are you with HAM, VER or neutral

Killed by Death · 12-10-2021, 04:45 PM

https://www.grandprix247.com/2021/12...bi-grand-prix/

Artemis · 12-10-2021, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Crimson92

Fp2 would like to have a word.

Be careful with conclusions based off FP times. Teams do not disclose to the press the fuel loads carried during the FP sessions. Less fuel = faster. It is told that both HAM and VER were driving with high fuel loads to simulate race conditions, but not necessarily equal high fuel loads. This could also explain why Ocon surprisingly got P2 during FP2: very likely Ocon was low on fuel compared to HAM and VER. If either HAM or VER score 'bad' times during FP3 tomorrow: very likely just smoke and mirrors to mislead competitors - they're using fuel as extra weight. You'll see that the delta between HAM and VER will be smaller during qualification: equal low fuel load. And as track use continues, the circuit gets more 'rubbered in', contributing to improved times. Also worth to be noted about FP2: BOT hit the wall with his right rear wheel. At first glance no damage. But a warning.

Video summary:

FP1:

FP2:

///M Power-Belgium · 12-10-2021, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Artemis

Do you condone this shameful X-Mas ad of Sky ?

https://mobile.twitter.com/_autohan/...71580655132680

00:40 - 00:54:

Honestly , comes from SKY and that's a shame for motorsports !!!

Killed by Death · 12-10-2021, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Honestly , comes from SKY and that's a shame for motorsports !!!

Sky sucks, wish we still had our own independent coverage

M5Rick · 12-10-2021, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Killed by Death

Sky sucks, wish we still had our own independent coverage

Murdoch stranglehold I'm afraid.

///M Power-Belgium · 12-10-2021, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by M5Rick

This is it my friend as the track is rubbered in more they'll get faster,probably Connelly sheep shearer is watching already

Breaking news :

Once again ,Mercedes is considering to replace HAM's PU by a new ROCKET engine !

It was noticed by Mercedes that Red Bull and MAX used FP2 to test the RB16-B long runs with a specific long run mapping .
MAX has shown during the FP2 that his long run was suddenly extremely strong ...
Perhaps that's why is Toto in panic and he's considering to give HAM a new Rocket PU ...Again !
I'm pretty sure , Toto wants a second Brazil ..
Or is HAM just chicken to fight with MAX in the front ?

Dutch Link => https://www.gptoday.net/nl/nieuws/f1...r-bij-hamilton

Killed by Death · 12-10-2021, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by M5Rick

Murdoch stranglehold I'm afraid.

If you never got David Hobbs & Steve Matchett coverage I feel for you! Matchett was awesome on the mechanical side...And Hobbs would tell old war stories when things got boring. In the good old days drivers would drink, dine and dash even in Monaco apparently

E90SLAM · 12-10-2021, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Breaking news :

Once again ,Mercedes is considering to replace HAM's PU by a new ROCKET engine !

It was noticed by Mercedes that Red Bull and MAX used FP2 to test the RB16-B long runs with a specific long run mapping .
MAX has shown during the FP2 that his long run was extremely strong ...
Perhaps that's why is Toto in panic and he's considering to give HAM a new Rocket PU ...Again !
I'm pretty sure , Toto wants a second Brazil ..
Or is HAM just chicken to fight with MAX in the front ?

Dutch Link => https://www.gptoday.net/nl/nieuws/f1...r-bij-hamilton

Path of least resistance, and calculated risk.
New ICE will only cost 5 place grid penalty, with a new refreshed power and ability to overtake in the new Yas Marina layout. This would give Merc/Ham a better chance to win than a tired ICE and fighting from P2 or close battle in P1/2 with Max.

Its not impossible. We shall see tomorrow.

M5Rick · 12-10-2021, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Breaking news :

Once again ,Mercedes is considering to replace HAM's PU by a new ROCKET engine !

It was noticed by Mercedes that Red Bull and MAX used FP2 to test the RB16-B long runs with a specific long run mapping .
MAX has shown during the FP2 that his long run was suddenly extremely strong ...
Perhaps that's why is Toto in panic and he's considering to give HAM a new Rocket PU ...Again !
I'm pretty sure , Toto wants a second Brazil ..
Or is HAM just chicken to fight with MAX in the front ?

Dutch Link => https://www.gptoday.net/nl/nieuws/f1...r-bij-hamilton

Probably Suzie threw manic tots out of bedroom going crackers whether or not to give new PU to Ham

E90SLAM · 12-10-2021, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Killed by Death

If you never got David Hobbs & Steve Matchett coverage I feel for you! Matchett was awesome on the mechanical side...And Hobbs would tell old war stories when things got boring. In the good old days drivers would drink, dine and dash even in Monaco apparently

The only problem was SPEED or NBC kept plugging commercials every 6-7 laps.

Then replays when return on lap 10, real live broadcast from lap 11-15 then on to commercials again.

M5Rick · 12-10-2021, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Killed by Death

If you never got David Hobbs & Steve Matchett coverage I feel for you! Matchett was awesome on the mechanical side...And Hobbs would tell old war stories when things got boring. In the good old days drivers would drink, dine and dash even in Monaco apparently

Must be going back a bit also a nifty ciggie no doubt, they were the days.

Killed by Death · 12-10-2021, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by E90SLAM

The only problem was SPEED or NBC kept plugging commercials every 6-7 laps.

Then replays when return on lap 10, real live broadcast from lap 11-15 then on to commercials again.

True, we basically get no commercials now but I still miss Hobbs

E90SLAM · 12-10-2021, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Killed by Death

True, we basically get no commercials now but I still miss Hobbs

Hahahaha....they were fun...Hobbs really remembers the old days and keep calling "McLaren International" in his era.
And matchett sharing lots of his Benetton expertise.

Initially I didn't like Will Buxton when he joined instead of Peter Windsor, but his enthusiasm got into me and I starting to enjoy his presentation more and more.

///M Power-Belgium · 12-10-2021, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by E90SLAM

Path of least resistance, and calculated risk.
New ICE will only cost 5 place grid penalty, with a new refreshed power and ability to overtake in the new Yas Marina layout. This would give Merc/Ham a better chance to win than a tired ICE and fighting from P2 or close battle in P1/2 with Max.

Its not impossible. We shall see tomorrow.

Of course , that's the meaning of the situation .
MAX runs race number '8 with his HONDA ICE.

If Mercedes goes for it , I really hope so HONDA as well ..

Yeah . We'll see ..

///M Power-Belgium · 12-10-2021, 06:15 PM

*****

E90SLAM · 12-10-2021, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Of course , that's the meaning of the situation .
MAX runs race number '8 with his HONDA ICE.

If Mercedes goes for it , I really hope so HONDA as well ..

Yeah . We'll see ..

I was surprised FIA doesn't increase penalty on the number of PU components exceeds the allocated limit.

e.g. 5 place penalty for the first two ICE component, then 8 place penalty for 3rd to 5th, 11 place penalty for 6th onwards. something like that. That will deter teams to start strapping fresh rocket ICE almost ever other race, and only receives 5 place penalty.

anyways, those are the current rules and Merc/RBR is legal to put fresh components should they feel the need and the benefits outweigh the penalty.

Artemis · 12-10-2021, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Breaking news :
Once again ,Mercedes is considering to replace HAM's PU by a new ROCKET engine !

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Originally Posted by M5Rick

Probably Suzie threw manic tots out of bedroom going crackers whether or not to give new PU to Ham

Susie Wolff: "Mirror-mirror on the wall, who's the fastest of them all ?"
Magic Mirror: "Ver-stap-pen..."
Susie Wolff: "That's impossible ! What about our main man Lewis ?"
Magic Mirror: "D-N-F..."
Susie Wolff: "Do Not Fear ?"
Magic Mirror: "Kaputt..."
Susie Wolff: "Totoooo, a new PU for HAM, quickly !"

F87source · 12-10-2021, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Breaking news :

Once again ,Mercedes is considering to replace HAM's PU by a new ROCKET engine !

It was noticed by Mercedes that Red Bull and MAX used FP2 to test the RB16-B long runs with a specific long run mapping .
MAX has shown during the FP2 that his long run was suddenly extremely strong ...
Perhaps that's why is Toto in panic and he's considering to give HAM a new Rocket PU ...Again !
I'm pretty sure , Toto wants a second Brazil ..
Or is HAM just chicken to fight with MAX in the front ?

Dutch Link => https://www.gptoday.net/nl/nieuws/f1...r-bij-hamilton

This was first rumoured earlier this week on Thursday, which was before free practice. So it is only for strategy reasons and potential risk avoidance.

Speculation of mercedes doing this in fear of redbull's FP2 long run mapping (which again has not been discussed anywhere....) is total nonsense, since the rumours started before free practice even began.....

Even if redbull tried new mapping, potential gains are minimal on an 8 race old engine.

///M Power-Belgium · 12-10-2021, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by F87source

This was first rumoured earlier this week on Thursday, which was before free practice. So it is only for strategy reasons and potential risk avoidance.

Speculation of mercedes doing this in fear of redbull's FP2 long run mapping (which again has not been discussed anywhere....) is total nonsense, since the rumours started before free practice even began.....

Even if redbull tried new mapping, potential gains are minimal on an 8 race old engine.

Yes and no .
The plan was monday/tuesday on the Mercedes table in case "IF" it was necessary ..
This time in FP2 MAX was sandbagging while he was testing the long run .
From what Mercedes noticed today the situation is been put on Toto's table again ..

If it wasn't the 5 P penalty , Mercedes would swap ICE's in every race ..
And once again the FIA really s@cks regarding the regulations , as currently the FIA regulations are made for Mercedes .

If HAM's ICE has lost some ponies , MAX can't wait to take him down like a brick sinks in the water ...

If HAM wins , than his Mercedes Rocket PU has won the WDC !

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