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Do you think the A3 and the CLA sell because they are AWD, lightweight, fun cars? Maybe yes, but primarily it's because they are sedans. A 2-series sedan (1-Series) platform with a B58 and RWD platform will be killer. At least we know we'll have an Xdrive version. That should be a fun car.
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The distinctive "hofmeister kink" is slowly dying... everything looks like any Kia, Hyndai, Toyota, Lexus, ....
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VW MQB Evo cars have been coming in around 150 to 200 pounds lighter than MQB cars. So the Mk8 GTI will likely be 2900-2950 pounds and an A3 about 100 more than that. With the Golf R and S3 being maybe 100 over that. If BMW sticks to the 2er being about 100 pounds more than a 3er, than the M240i should be around 3,500 pounds again. So a 10% heavier car than the equivalent S3. The good news is that M seems to take the M2 seriously, so hopefully the next M2 is close to the next RS3 in weight. |
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03-20-2019, 10:15 PM | #95 | |
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Agree 100 percent that you have to field a product in the space... BMW abandoned this product niche ( which they practically invented, and dominated for decades, then left it for dead, got their lunch handed to them in the space they abandoned , which cost them the luxury small vehicle sales crown they had held for years, and indeed, now they realized there is market share to be had and they have returned with milquetoast to sop up whatever leftovers are around. BMW needs to hit a home run here. Mercedes already has facelift CLA out already. In many ways the X7, as well as X3M, X4M are also models that BMW has come to market late with. If a G87 coupe has the green light , BMW should be looking at a sedan off the same chassis as well, I can't imagine how an E90 M3 sized sedan wouldn't sell if the coupe will. BMW not fielding a 1 series sedan or a 2 series sedan in this product segment for a decade or so just is so |
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Thats why we are keeping the X1 E84. The new 2 should have been a reiteration of the old E46 at least. With a proper luxury interior package, a RWD biased xDrive, BMW could have a special niche with lots of customers instead of blending in in a market where there are plenty of FWD vehicles. I stronlgy believe that this is a bad strategy as many will think twice if just a badge with a very poor interior (see new X1), really worth the money over another half price FWD. This could have been the main money maker for BMW if properly done. Last edited by Teutonic; 03-21-2019 at 10:46 AM.. |
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Going from E-series (E92) to F was going to be the most obvious upgrade for me but something has made me hang onto what I've got and think of waiting for something like a G80 to appear. Hearing about bad interior quality and worse driving dynamics are some things I've heard from others but wondered if you were referring to additional things too. Cheers |
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Enter F30, which had just gotten the LCI and received lots of journalism praise for getting the steering back to almost okay and fixing some of the ride and interior issues of the pre-LCI. Well, while the pre LCI was truly a mess, the LCI was still bad. If you drove it and hit Sport+ and used DS, it felt mostly like an E90 with no steering feedback that just hated gas because it was shifting high up the rev band and wouldn't use top gears. But you had to do that each time you turned it on. If you just got in, put it D and didn't hit Sport, it was the numbest, laziest thing possible. It made my parents old Mercedes seem inspired. I always said about those 90's Mercedes that they could go fast and they did handle okay, but they always seemed to be put out by the whole experience, like they'd really prefer to just be loafing around. That's how the F30 felt. You could make it go fast and it wasn't that bad at it, but it just always felt like it wasn't its preference. And that doesn't fit with any of my previous experience with BMWs of the M or non M realm. They always left the impression that if you just drove it sedately, the car was secretly disappointed in your lameness. The F30 welcomes lameness, gave it a soft pillow, a hug and sang it a song before bed. |
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BMW [naturally] started losing comparison tests from all publications. It still baffles my mind how an established performance-oriented brand totally pulled a 180 on how they engineered their cars. Car & Driver did a detailed analysis on this and even interviewed some fat cat at BMW. He kept playing dumb and deflecting whenever asked about the poor steering tuning. Altogether 2010 - ? was really a slap in the face to all of us. Last edited by Germanauto; 03-21-2019 at 02:45 PM.. |
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The fact of the matter is that a CLAR-based RWD platform with a 6-cyl engine is going to be more expensive (see M340i) than a FWD-based high-strung 4-pot (CLA 45 AMG). |
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But it is not just cost savings. FWD 4 pot cars leave a lot more room in the cabin for passengers. That might not matter all that much for a 5 or 7 series, but it certainly will for the new 1 series or the 2GC.
Besides, BMW still has the 2 series coupe with RWD so people can just pick what they want. If all you care about is driving dynamics, then surely you can do with a coupe and don't need a sedan. |
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