[pinco000]

I saw this on the BBC and thought you should see it:

Apple's iPhones slowed to tackle ageing batteries - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-42438745


After reading about their admission of deliberately slowing down older Iphones Im over the moon I bought a Pixel 2 XL.
What they did to my Iphone 6s worked perfectly. It was bloody slow, battery didnt last until I got home from fully charged....
The only difference is though that I get let them rob me of £1000 for the bloody iphone X.
I will never ever buy an Apple product again!!!

[Tengocity]

I'm not sure what your issue is that's causing such a melodramatic response?

The action they've taken seems sensible, though the way they've communicated it seems poor.

[Watsey]

The suspicion of course will be whether this was a genuine response to address battery degradation, or was a strategy relating to software-engineered hardware obsolescence in order to drive sales.

I'm on the fence in terms of opinion but the late explanation, reactive rather than proactive, does create distrust.

[JD6]

Originally Posted by Tengocity

The action they've taken seems sensible, though the way they've communicated it seems poor.

I agree - seems a sensible approach if done for legitimate reasons, rather than to encourage upgrades.

As an aside I took a very old iPhone, which my son uses as an iPod, into an Apple store a few days ago. It is at least 3 years out of warranty, is probably dropped twice a day on average(!), and the speaker had apparently failed. They spent 40 minutes in total, diagnosing, then trying firmware solutions. They managed to solve it, all free of charge.

Apple gear is expensive, but I can't imagine getting this sort of customer service from another brand of phone.

[Mr Whippy]

Don't people buy new batteries?

Apple are shit, but they're all shit. So you just choose your preferred turd.

No one makes a genuinely good mobile phone imo, either hardware or software.

[SkyJawa]

It seems that if it’s fixed by a battery replacement they aren’t deliberately slowing it down so you upgrade. It’s the poor communication that’s the issue as people may we’ll have upgraded when they just needed a battery swap.....

[Ti Rich]

My family has always wondered why their iphones slow or go wrong just as a new model is released..............we know why now.

I will NEVER buy an Apple product even if they are stupid enough to do so.

[evdok]

Do other mobiles slow down over time? its a con, we are slowly pressured in to buying newer phones simple as that.

[Ss66]

Originally Posted by evdok

Do other mobiles slow down over time? its a con, we are slowly pressured in to buying newer phones simple as that.

As above.

[pmgreenwood]

I always thought it crazy when all smartmakers moved away from a phone battery that was removable to ones fixed in phones. this was on the grounds of the ability for a heavy user to get through the day and the planned obsolescence of a fixed battery.

That's why I still using a three-year-old LG4 with a stock of batteries only half of which have been used so far. LG have so far regularly upgraded the phone to each new reincarnation of Andriod.

I am just hoping by the time that stops battery technology wiill have improved both in capacity and life.

[isleaiw1]

I have a 6 plus. I can't say I have noticed it going slower but getting it to charge is proving more challenging.... I probably should change it but I don't really fancy another iPhone and equally I don't really fancy changing to another brand...

If only they lasted longer and I didn't have this pain...

[JD6]

Originally Posted by isleaiw1

I have a 6 plus. I can't say I have noticed it going slower but getting it to charge is proving more challenging.... I probably should change it but I don't really fancy another iPhone and equally I don't really fancy changing to another brand...

If only they lasted longer and I didn't have this pain...

Sounds like you should just replace the battery.

[Tengocity]

Originally Posted by JD6

Sounds like you should just replace the battery.

I'll add to that advice. My iPhone 6 lasted almost 4 years quite happily and I changed the battery after 2 years, which made it perform like brand new. I almost just did the same again.

[JD6]

Originally Posted by Lobb

Indeed. But we are all to blame. We buy the shit they make.

I don't agree that they are shit, but what else are you going to do? Buy an old Nokia for phone calls and use the Yellow Pages and an Encyclopedia Britannica!?

Smartphones are pretty hard to live without these days, so personally I just pick the one I think is the best allrounder - an iPhone in my case. There are still aspects that annoy me, but they are pretty impressive devices to me at least. Even the cameras are good these days. I find that the battery life in the 8 is really good too - far better than my last 6S.

[Jeff123]

Originally Posted by Mr Whippy

Don't people buy new batteries?

Apple are shit, but they're all shit. So you just choose your preferred turd.

No one makes a genuinely good mobile phone imo, either hardware or software.

The products on sale nowadays are the best that have ever been on the market. They are great, easy to use, reliable and robust. We have been spoiled over the years by tech items becoming increasingly better, cheaper and more sophisticated. I am on a MacBook Pro now and I paid less for this than my first computer, an Amstrad in 1988. It works brilliantly and will have a re-sale value in 5 years time.

For those old enough to remember the days before the iPhone became mainstream, we had such classics as the answerphone (with tape inside), the camcorder, the dictaphone, the sat nav, the fax, the torch, books, fax machines, telex, land lines, camera, news only on TV/radio, photo albums, watches, stopwatches, alarm clocks, calculators, contact lists, diaries, compasses, maps,

The iPhone does the lot and much more. And it does it better.

[JD6]

Originally Posted by Jeff123

The products on sale nowadays are the best that have ever been on the market. They are great, easy to use, reliable and robust. We have been spoiled over the years by tech items becoming increasingly better, cheaper and more sophisticated. I am on a MacBook Pro now and I paid less for this than my first computer, an Amstrad in 1988. It works brilliantly and will have a re-sale value in 5 years time.

I agree about the quality of current products being far ahead of earlier ones, but I also had an Amstrad CPC464 and from memory it cost about £400. Was your MacBook Pro really less than that, even in inflation-adjusted terms?

[pinco000]

So its not a con to slown down Iphone users to appearantly improve battery WITHOUT TELLING?!
I had an iphone 6 and the battery was fine until i upgraded to ios 11. So it seems the battery was actually fine but the software they released was actually ment to harm older phones. Dont you think guys? This is what I believe as many of my friends started having issues with battery life. Also there were lots of articles about people complaining about their battery after upgrade. Hm?

My mum has an iphone se ,new, ios 10, no problem, my brother however, has the same phone but with new ios 11. NEW phone. He charges it twice a day.
So does my colleague with his new iphone 7!

It was Apple's intension to slown down phones, kill battery life and force them to buy the most overpriced iphone in history for £1000!
All this tacticc worked with me, they pushed me to my limits to not hit the wall with that phone being dead at 1pm from fully charged. Fortunately they didnt manage to rob me of £1000, i stead I left them, forever!
PS: do you still remember Apples latest court ruling for tax evasion? This is one greedy company second to none!

[Bibbles]

Don't upgrade to the latest ios if you don't want your phone to slow down or your battery to drain faster. Job done, lets move on.

[pinco000]

Originally Posted by Bibbles

Don't upgrade to the latest ios if you don't want your phone to slow down or your battery to drain faster. Job done, lets move on.

it is natural to update when an update is available from the manufacturer. It is ment to improve your experience with whatever you upgrade, phone, camera, tv, bmw maps etc
It is however not natural to receive an update which is ment to harm you and force to buy latest device. Thats a CON, especially given that the update is not reversible

[JD6]

Originally Posted by pinco000

So its not a con to slown down Iphone users to appearantly improve battery WITHOUT TELLING?!
I had an iphone 6 and the battery was fine until i upgraded to ios 11. So it seems the battery was actually fine but the software they released was actually ment to harm older phones. Dont you think guys? This is what I believe as many of my friends started having issues with battery life. Also there were lots of articles about people complaining about their battery after upgrade. Hm?

It sounds fairly normal for new firmware to require more processor power than older firmware. For as long as I can remember PCs have been like this - if you upgrade to the latest version of Windows which does more stuff, the older processor means slower performance.

Whether it is a con or not in the case of iPhones depends on their motivation. If as Apple say, this is due to reduced battery capacity, that sounds fair enough. If they are deliberately making older phones less usable then that isn't fair at all.

As I mentioned above, Apple did all they could to keep a 4+ year old iPhone working without any cost, which impressed me. We run our iPhones for 6 years - I keep it for 2, then my other half for 2 and then my son as an iPod. For a piece of tech which gets so much use to last 6 years must say something about their quality.

[WTruter]

I agree that the batteries degrade over time, but not to the level that the phones are being throttled.
Also, from a consumer point, if you pay £600+ for a phone, you dont expect to need to replace the batter after 1-2 years of use.

In my eyes this is all in favor of pushing new sales, otherwise when they sell the phone, they should make it known that you will need to pay for a new battery in 1-2 years time.

If a high end phone such as the iPhone 6 cant be expected to last 2 years without significant performance issues, then its really not fit for purpose.

I was considering an iphone x, but think ill stay clear for now. See if they pull their s#*t together.

[Jeff123]

Originally Posted by JD6

I agree about the quality of current products being far ahead of earlier ones, but I also had an Amstrad CPC464 and from memory it cost about £400. Was your MacBook Pro really less than that, even in inflation-adjusted terms?

The one in 1988 cost around £1200 including a basic dot matrix printer - remember those! Think it was a Amstrad 1520 or something like that. Gruelling to use.

I bought the Mac this time last year and it cost £1119 from Laptops Direct. Bit cheaper than Apple store and the likes of PC World. You can also get "student discount" assuming that you know a student.

Macs are great IMO. Never had one before, but soon picked up the way it works. Go out and work for a day, sometimes using it for 8 hours and the battery has never been below 20%. Saves you carrying chargers everywhere.

Far better than a PC, and they aren't cheap for the equivalent model.