Should I remove Procede for service?

ericash · 10-19-2007, 08:59 AM

A Red service code showed up last night along with the brake word in red. The dealer said that they need to hook it up to their computer. Do I need to remove the procede? Can they see it this way?? I'd rather not if not necessary.

orientblue3 · 10-19-2007, 09:01 AM

Yes, its probably best to remove it unless you dealership is mod-friendly or you've made previous arrangements to leave it on when you have it serviced. But if its throwing a code I'd for sure remove it.

NPDAN · 10-19-2007, 09:01 AM

yes

e.n335 · 10-19-2007, 09:10 AM

This has been discussed multiple times.

The PROcede is not visible to the diagnostic system. What you see with V1 installed is that the power consumption is higher as it should be when the car is shut off, the re-routed boost solenoid hoses and the PROcede ground wire.

Removing the PROcede depends on your relationship to your dealership and your personal preferences.

- Eugen

bimmerlex · 10-19-2007, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by ericash

A Red service code showed up last night along with the brake word in red. The dealer said that they need to hook it up to their computer. Do I need to remove the procede? Can they see it this way?? I'd rather not if not necessary.

How many miles on your car? Does it really need new brakes? If not - you can just reset this code yourself.

ericash · 10-19-2007, 09:21 AM

The car has 8400 miles on it and more than likely doesn't need brake work.
Should I approach the service manager (we have a good relationship) and come clean about the mods and see where the chips fall? Is this too great a risk?

BoostedBMW · 10-19-2007, 09:28 AM

I wouldn't chance it. It sucks to have to spend the time to take it out, but its not a tremendous amount of work either. I would just spend the hour or so and take it out.

orientblue3 · 10-19-2007, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by ericash

The car has 8400 miles on it and more than likely doesn't need brake work.
Should I approach the service manager (we have a good relationship) and come clean about the mods and see where the chips fall? Is this too great a risk?

Too great of a risk. Because they could flag you for next time you have issues and attempt to make the connection between Proceede and your car issues and screw you like most dealers try to. If there's any connection they can draw as to how the chip could have caused your problem then your toast.

bimmerlex · 10-19-2007, 09:34 AM

Just remove it before going for service. Or better yet, reset the error code yourself, drive for a couple of days and see if it reappears. Then remove PROcede and take the car for service.

DrewKo · 10-19-2007, 09:42 AM

Just load the stock map. The dealership won't notice the PROcede, or any other piggyback for that matter, when checking on a brake code. The service tech doesn't even open the hood because he'll go through the external connector port (OBD).

ericash · 10-19-2007, 09:56 AM

call me too honest, but I spoke to the service manager and told him and he is ok with it. He said that to him it isn't a problem.

He was aware of tuning/piggybacks for the 335, but hadn't heard of a Procede.

DrewKo · 10-19-2007, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ericash

call me too honest, but I spoke to the service manager and told him and he is ok with it. He said that to him it isn't a problem.

He was aware of tuning/piggybacks for the 335, but hadn't heard of a Procede.

No offense, but that is very risky judgment in my humble opinion. Also, I do not like that he may advise others and spread the word to dealers. One more thing, his "decision" is not binding on BMWNA if ever your warranty comes into play.

e90AW335i · 10-19-2007, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by DrewKo

No offense, but that is very risky judgment in my humble opinion. Also, I do not like that he may advise others and spread the word to dealers. One more thing, his "decision" is not binding on BMWNA if ever your warranty comes into play.

True statement.....it might have been a mistake to even tell him. If something does brake, or something else happens he can say it was due to the Procede and then it is on you to prove otherwise. Good luck....

e.n335 · 10-19-2007, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ericash

call me too honest, but I spoke to the service manager and told him and he is ok with it. He said that to him it isn't a problem.

He was aware of tuning/piggybacks for the 335, but hadn't heard of a Procede.

+1 well done. I think this warranty voiding discussion is overdrawn here on the forum. Every failure, especially the HPFP problems, have been covered as it should be. The PROcede V1 did not cause any problems at all. I hope it will be the same with the enhanced power output of V2 as well. I trust Shiv and his huge experience a lot.

- Eugen

orientblue3 · 10-19-2007, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by e.n335

+1 well done. I think this warranty voiding discussion is overdrawn here on the forum. Every failure, especially the HPFP problems, have been covered as it should be. The PROcede V1 did not cause any problems at all. I hope it will be the same with the enhanced power output of V2 as well. I trust Shiv and his huge experience a lot.

- Eugen

Something will happen sooner or later whether its caused by the Proceede or not where the dealer will blame it on the chip and it will be up to the owner to prove them wrong. Which is virtually impossible because how are you going to have someone(i.e. shop or mechanic) with enough clout override the BMW mechanics decision?

Just be safe and take it out everytime. Of course your SA is going to be cool with it as long as there is no problems but you know he's making documentation if it in your file as soon as you tell him so the second something happens they can see if they can link it to the chip and void the warranty.

silvrevo · 10-19-2007, 10:54 AM

They just reset my computer for the brake light, service soon thingy.

I would take it in and leave it as is. It took them about 30 mins. This included a free HAND wash and shine. My car looked showroom new when I got back in it.

e.n335 · 10-19-2007, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by orientblue3

Something will happen sooner or later whether its caused by the Proceede or not where the dealer will blame it on the chip and it will be up to the owner to prove them wrong. Which is virtually impossible because how are you going to have someone(i.e. shop or mechanic) with enough clout override the BMW mechanics decision?

Just be safe and take it out everytime. Of course your SA is going to be cool with it as long as there is no problems but you know he's making documentation if it in your file as soon as you tell him so the second something happens they can see if they can link it to the chip and void the warranty.

Normally

1) You have no business relationship where one blames the other
2) The dealership is interested to do warranty work

Is this completely different in the US ?

- Eugen

Sniz · 10-19-2007, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by silvrevo

They just reset my computer for the brake light, service soon thingy.

I would take it in and leave it as is. It took them about 30 mins. This included a free HAND wash and shine. My car looked showroom new when I got back in it.

oh dear god do not let them wash your car. Unless you have a dealership that is the exception to the norm, the wash boy used a dirty wash mit and a drying towel that has touched 100 other cars before yours. I'll pretty much guarantee that you now have more swirl marks than before.............trust me, I used to be one in high school. I was careful, but no one else was.

When I last had my car in for the steering rack issue I specifically told the SA not to have my car washed, they did anyway

and now I need to polish my car to remove their fuckups. I may be more anal than others about my cars finish however.

silvrevo · 10-19-2007, 12:43 PM

Sniz, I had mucho mucho swirl marks when I picked my car up NEW!

I could care less about what they do to it,, its a lease. Now my last car I took car of very very well. I kinda enjoy this way now! lolol.

Back to the O.P.

I guess they can tell you have been messing with the ecu by the Ground wire Proseed has and of course the Vacum line.

I think they would just be total dics if they messed with you, esp. since all they need to do is reset the brake cel.

I have the "other" tuner, and I plan on just leaving mine on. Unless there is engine trouble going on.

If I take it in for an oil change , and they try to pull the warrenty shiet with me, there will be a problem. Enough problem for everyone in shouting distance to know I want be a Bmw customer again.

Yes Iam a big baby. : )

Fortbimmer · 10-19-2007, 12:43 PM

When you guys discuss removing this little jewell are talking everything, i.e., wiring harness or just the magic box and installing the bypass plugs.

ericash · 10-19-2007, 06:49 PM

They just reset the computer - it was saying that I was 297,000 miles overdue for brake service!!! Service manager told me that if the drive-train or transmission fails that I should take it out (procede) because BMW will void warranty. He said that if this happens his selective memory will forget anything he knows about the car!! COOL!!

zenmaster · 10-19-2007, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ericash

Service manager told me that if the drive-train or transmission fails that I should take it out (procede) because BMW will void warranty.

The drive-train OR transmission??

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orientblue3 Captain 28 Rep 864 Posts Drives: RIP 335, Now P30 C63 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: DFW iTrader: (2)	Yes, its probably best to remove it unless you dealership is mod-friendly or you've made previous arrangements to leave it on when you have it serviced. But if its throwing a code I'd for sure remove it.
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e.n335 Moderator 273 Rep 4,481 Posts Drives: e93 ///M3 DCT, 07/2009 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Switzerland, ZH iTrader: (0)	This has been discussed multiple times. The PROcede is not visible to the diagnostic system. What you see with V1 installed is that the power consumption is higher as it should be when the car is shut off, the re-routed boost solenoid hoses and the PROcede ground wire. Removing the PROcede depends on your relationship to your dealership and your personal preferences. - Eugen
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ericash Enlisted Member 8 Rep 36 Posts Drives: 2008 e93 328i Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: HV, NY iTrader: (0)	The car has 8400 miles on it and more than likely doesn't need brake work. Should I approach the service manager (we have a good relationship) and come clean about the mods and see where the chips fall? Is this too great a risk?
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BoostedBMW Moderator 133 Rep 6,775 Posts Drives: TiAg E92 335 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Raleigh, NC iTrader: (14) Garage List 2003 S2000 [0.00]	I wouldn't chance it. It sucks to have to spend the time to take it out, but its not a tremendous amount of work either. I would just spend the hour or so and take it out. __________________ -Michael. Berlina Black S2000 CR is now in the garage l 19" Rial Daytona Race l KW V2 l Eisenhaus Race Exhaust l
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bimmerlex Captain 26 Rep 865 Posts Drives: 2018 F15 X5 xDrive35d Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: SoCal. iTrader: (25) Garage List 2018 F15 X5 xDrive35D [0.00]	Just remove it before going for service. Or better yet, reset the error code yourself, drive for a couple of days and see if it reappears. Then remove PROcede and take the car for service.
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DrewKo Lieutenant Colonel 44 Rep 1,568 Posts Drives: 335i Montego Blue Saddle Brown Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Atlanta, GA iTrader: (4) Garage List 2007 335i [0.00]	Just load the stock map. The dealership won't notice the PROcede, or any other piggyback for that matter, when checking on a brake code. The service tech doesn't even open the hood because he'll go through the external connector port (OBD). Last edited by DrewKo; 10-19-2007 at 10:09 AM..
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ericash Enlisted Member 8 Rep 36 Posts Drives: 2008 e93 328i Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: HV, NY iTrader: (0)	call me too honest, but I spoke to the service manager and told him and he is ok with it. He said that to him it isn't a problem. He was aware of tuning/piggybacks for the 335, but hadn't heard of a Procede.
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silvrevo Captain 40 Rep 660 Posts Drives: M235v 6spd Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Location: Location iTrader: (1)	They just reset my computer for the brake light, service soon thingy. I would take it in and leave it as is. It took them about 30 mins. This included a free HAND wash and shine. My car looked showroom new when I got back in it.
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silvrevo Captain 40 Rep 660 Posts Drives: M235v 6spd Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Location: Location iTrader: (1)	Sniz, I had mucho mucho swirl marks when I picked my car up NEW! I could care less about what they do to it,, its a lease. Now my last car I took car of very very well. I kinda enjoy this way now! lolol. Back to the O.P. I guess they can tell you have been messing with the ecu by the Ground wire Proseed has and of course the Vacum line. I think they would just be total dics if they messed with you, esp. since all they need to do is reset the brake cel. I have the "other" tuner, and I plan on just leaving mine on. Unless there is engine trouble going on. If I take it in for an oil change , and they try to pull the warrenty shiet with me, there will be a problem. Enough problem for everyone in shouting distance to know I want be a Bmw customer again. Yes Iam a big baby. : )
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Fortbimmer Private First Class 3 Rep 101 Posts Drives: 335i Coupe Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Midwest iTrader: (0)	When you guys discuss removing this little jewell are talking everything, i.e., wiring harness or just the magic box and installing the bypass plugs.
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ericash Enlisted Member 8 Rep 36 Posts Drives: 2008 e93 328i Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: HV, NY iTrader: (0)	They just reset the computer - it was saying that I was 297,000 miles overdue for brake service!!! Service manager told me that if the drive-train or transmission fails that I should take it out (procede) because BMW will void warranty. He said that if this happens his selective memory will forget anything he knows about the car!! COOL!!
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