Why has BMW navigation lost the plot ?

B6WAF · 10-25-2023, 02:22 PM

BMW navigation software has lost the plot (or perhaps it's me ?).

With iDrive 7 on my last car I actually thought it was pretty good. Under iDrive 8 it is an absolute joke. Repeatedly, time and time again, it plots nonsensical routes. I mean, REALLY nonsensical. For example, see the image attached - I wanted to get from A to B. I live within 2 miles of "B", I have travelled this route many hundreds of times over several decades. The route in green is the obvious, commonsense, easiest, most direct and fastest route. The car tried to send me the red route, which is madness. At one point it even CROSSES the green route. I ignored it and when it finally accepted my choices the ETA reduced by 7 minutes.

What is going on? I used to have the choice of fastest, shortest or eco. I can't find that now. Whatever happened to AI ?

And before you ask, yes, I am on the latest maps 2023-4, makes no difference.

paulockenden · 10-25-2023, 03:45 PM

I *always* ask for alternative routes (I have a button programmed for it - with ID8 you won't have that luxury), and pick the one that looks best.

bmnut · 10-26-2023, 03:37 AM

...and here's me and several others on here with ID 7 complaining about problems with downloading 2023-4 map update!
I'm really pleased I've still got ID 7.

Rhino at Work · 10-26-2023, 04:15 AM

Hi B6WAF a bit of a shot in the dark but you never know...

I live not too far away from you and when the Bradford clean air zone came into force I started getting crazy routes as the option to avoid toll roads was checked in settings (even though the car is exempt). When I unchecked that box the problem seemed to correct itself.

UnluckySaxon · 10-26-2023, 06:26 AM

Its obviously suggesting you stop by the Malt Shovel! Why arent you listening to the car?!

AP · 10-26-2023, 06:36 AM

Is the map provider different? Wondering as a different company may have different data about the roads, speed limits

I think the map data may be a contender along with the obvious route selection criteria options as the other possibility
Also traffic , is that an issue ? I don’t have id8 but assume traffic is marked on the roads like in id7?

lnlyssg · 10-26-2023, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by AP

Is the map provider different? Wondering as a different company may have different data about the roads, speed limits

BMW part own HERE so that’s the only map provider they use

bmnut · 10-26-2023, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by lnlyssg

BMW part own HERE so that’s the only map provider they use

Do you know how long BMW have been using HERE map data?

lnlyssg · 10-26-2023, 08:34 AM

Possibly since at least 2014? - https://www.here.com/about/press-rel...n/2014-02-10-0

Dug a bit more and found this quote on https://www.here.com/about/press-releases/en/2015-05-01
"We provided the first map for BMW GPS navigation systems in 1994" but it must have been Navteq at that time

bmnut · 10-26-2023, 09:24 AM

That's interesting to know. The reason I asked was previous map updates seem to have been fine even up to 2023-3 so that tends to suggest that something has gone belly up with this map release.

10-25-2023, 02:22 PM	#1
B6WAF Private First Class 78 Rep 142 Posts Drives: M340i xDrive Touring (2023) Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: West Yorks iTrader: (0)	Why has BMW navigation lost the plot ? BMW navigation software has lost the plot (or perhaps it's me ?). With iDrive 7 on my last car I actually thought it was pretty good. Under iDrive 8 it is an absolute joke. Repeatedly, time and time again, it plots nonsensical routes. I mean, REALLY nonsensical. For example, see the image attached - I wanted to get from A to B. I live within 2 miles of "B", I have travelled this route many hundreds of times over several decades. The route in green is the obvious, commonsense, easiest, most direct and fastest route. The car tried to send me the red route, which is madness. At one point it even CROSSES the green route. I ignored it and when it finally accepted my choices the ETA reduced by 7 minutes. What is going on? I used to have the choice of fastest, shortest or eco. I can't find that now. Whatever happened to AI ? And before you ask, yes, I am on the latest maps 2023-4, makes no difference. Attached Images
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paulockenden Major 586 Rep 1,234 Posts Drives: 330e xDrive Touring Join Date: Oct 2020 Location: South Coast iTrader: (0)	I always ask for alternative routes (I have a button programmed for it - with ID8 you won't have that luxury), and pick the one that looks best.
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10-26-2023, 03:37 AM	#3
bmnut Colonel 843 Rep 2,212 Posts Drives: M440i xDrive Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: North East England iTrader: (0)	...and here's me and several others on here with ID 7 complaining about problems with downloading 2023-4 map update! I'm really pleased I've still got ID 7.
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Rhino at Work Major 714 Rep 1,244 Posts Drives: G21 330i Portimao Blue Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Yorkshire iTrader: (0)	Hi B6WAF a bit of a shot in the dark but you never know... I live not too far away from you and when the Bradford clean air zone came into force I started getting crazy routes as the option to avoid toll roads was checked in settings (even though the car is exempt). When I unchecked that box the problem seemed to correct itself. __________________ Current: Portimao Blue G21 330i Previous: EB F30 340i Shadow Edition Previous: EB F30 330d xdrive
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UnluckySaxon Private First Class 65 Rep 191 Posts Drives: BMW 330e G20 Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: London iTrader: (0)	Its obviously suggesting you stop by the Malt Shovel! Why arent you listening to the car?!
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10-26-2023, 06:36 AM	#6
AP Major General 2873 Rep 5,162 Posts Drives: G30 M550 Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: UK iTrader: (0)	Is the map provider different? Wondering as a different company may have different data about the roads, speed limits I think the map data may be a contender along with the obvious route selection criteria options as the other possibility Also traffic , is that an issue ? I don’t have id8 but assume traffic is marked on the roads like in id7?
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10-26-2023, 08:34 AM	#9
lnlyssg Private First Class 61 Rep 173 Posts Drives: BMW 320i Join Date: Aug 2023 Location: Norwich, UK iTrader: (0)	Possibly since at least 2014? - https://www.here.com/about/press-rel...n/2014-02-10-0 Dug a bit more and found this quote on https://www.here.com/about/press-releases/en/2015-05-01 "We provided the first map for BMW GPS navigation systems in 1994" but it must have been Navteq at that time
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10-26-2023, 09:24 AM	#10
bmnut Colonel 843 Rep 2,212 Posts Drives: M440i xDrive Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: North East England iTrader: (0)	That's interesting to know. The reason I asked was previous map updates seem to have been fine even up to 2023-3 so that tends to suggest that something has gone belly up with this map release.
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